Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752

[Health]

Vähemalt võtsid vaevaks tunnistada, et nemad olid süüdlased. Huvitav, kas kõik need kes nende nimel ambrasuurile viskusid ka oma lugulaulu muudavad.

[London Bridge]

Kommentaare lugedes jääb mulje, et selliste jaoks on jätkuvalt oranž mees kõiges süüdi. „Kui poleks olnud Trumpi poolset Iraani kindrali mõrva, poleks põhjust sellise eksituse juhtumiseks.”

[Lemet]

Pisut päris ekspertidelt...

https://youtu.be/-O0ecqS2rBs

[ruger]

Eks seda süüdi olemist näitas ka see, et õnnetusepaigast korjati tükid ära ilma uurimiskomisjoni kohalejõudmise ootamist. Platsid lükati buldooseriga siledaks, et ei oleks midagi leida.

Footage filmed on Friday shows the current state of the site where Ukrainian Airlines #PS752 crashed in Tehran. Several vehicles and locals can seen on site and virtually all wreckage from the crashed plane has been removed.

https://twitter.com/RuptlyVU/status/1215655709603442688

[ElrikThunderson]

CNN kaudu:

Flying close to a 'sensitive target': Iran's military also issued a statement on the crash, an unusual move for such a secretive organization. The statement said Iran's armed forces were on high alert at the time of the crash.

"Numerous defense centers around the country reported seeing increased activity on radar which caused a heightened sensitivity in the aerial defense centers of the country."
After the Ukrainian airliner took off from Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran, it flew close to a sensitive military site "at an altitude and a condition of a flight that resembled (a) hostile target," the statement added.

Maakeeli oligi siis nii, et närvilised õhutõrjujad olid laskevalmis kaitsmas "tundlikku sõjalist baasi" ja ukrainlased viirastusid oma lennutrajektooriga neile kui "vaenulik sihtmärk".

Iraani presidendi pöördumine täismahus:

Noble people of Iran
With the utmost regret and sorrow, hours ago I was informed of the outcome of the General Staff of the Armed Forces’ investigation into the Ukrainian passenger plane crash. In the atmosphere of threats and intimidation by the aggressive American regime against the Iranian nation after the martyrdom of General Qasem Soleimani, and in order to defend ourselves against possible attacks by the American Army, the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran were on full alert, which unfortunately led to this terrible catastrophe taking the lives of dozens of innocent people because of human error and mistaken shooting.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is deeply sorry by this disastrous mistake, and I extend my deepest condolences to the families of the victims of this tragic incident on behalf of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and instruct all related organs to take all necessary measures to compensate and sympathise with the bereaved families. I also express my deep condolences and sympathy of the Iranian government to the nations, governments and families of non-Iranian victims. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be in full consular cooperation to identify and return the bodies of victims to their families.

This painful accident is not something that can be easily overlooked. Further investigation is needed to identify all the causes and roots of this tragedy and prosecute the perpetrators of this unforgivable mistake and inform the honourable people of Iran and the families of the victims about it.

It is also necessary to adopt the required arrangements and measures to address the weaknesses of the country's defence systems to make sure such a disaster is never repeated.

Again, I extend my condolences to the families of the victims of this painful accident, praying for those who lost their lives and wishing their bereaved families patience and rewards.

Väike kuvatõmmis ka, et teemas "mea culpa" olemas oleks.

[mart2]

Tänan, Peeter.

Lihtsalt remargi korras - TOR-i 80-ndate ajal (millest kirjutad) ning selle edasiarendust mida müüdi Iraanile ligi 20 aastat hiljem, on raske võrrelda.
Küsimisel pidasingi silmas täpsustatud infot viimase kohta.

[Lemet]

Maakeeli oligi siis nii, et närvilised õhutõrjujad olid laskevalmis kaitsmas "tundlikku sõjalist baasi" ja ukrainlased viirastusid oma lennutrajektooriga neile kui "vaenulik sihtmärk".

Täpselt nagu see juhtus USA sõjalaevaga. Muideks, USA ennast süüdi ei tunnistanud,(IMHO täiesti õigistatult) maksis vaid hukkunutele kompensatsiooni ning autasustas hiljem laeva komandöri.

[Troll]

Täpselt nagu see juhtus USA sõjalaevaga. Muideks, USA ennast süüdi ei tunnistanud,(IMHO täiesti õigistatult) maksis vaid hukkunutele kompensatsiooni ning autasustas hiljem laeva komandöri.

Lemet, mis mõttes "ei tunnistanud end süüdi"? Reagan esitas ametliku vabanduse Iraanile: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 168d98c79/

[nimetu]

See, et Iraan oma süüd tunnistas on vähemalt minu jaoks äärmiselt üllatav. Kõik viitas ju sellele, et hakatakse asja tugevalt kinni mätsima.

[TTA]

See, et Iraan oma süüd tunnistas on vähemalt minu jaoks äärmiselt üllatav. Kõik viitas ju sellele, et hakatakse asja tugevalt kinni mätsima.

Eks nad lootsidki seda kinni mätsida. Lõpuks tekkis aga arusaamine, et tõendeid on nii palju, et kinni mätsimise üritamine ja sellega läbikukkumine on tunduvalt kahjulikum kui ausalt kõige üles tunnistamine.

[Lemet]

Lemet, mis mõttes "ei tunnistanud end süüdi"? Reagan esitas ametliku vabanduse Iraanile: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 168d98c79/

In February 1996, the United States agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice relating to this incident,[36] together with other earlier claims before the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal.[12] US$61.8 million of the claim was in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shoot-down: $300,000 per wage-earning victim and $150,000 per non-wage-earner.[57] In total, 290 civilians on board were killed, 38 being non-Iranians and 66 being children. It was not disclosed how the remaining $70 million of the settlement was apportioned, though it was close to the value of a used A300 at the time.

The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human lives, but never formally apologized or acknowledged wrongdoing.[13] Informally, on July 5 of 1988 President Ronald Reagan expressed regret; when directly asked if this statement was intended as an apology to Iran, Reagan replied "Yes."[58] George H. W. Bush, the vice president of the United States at the time commented on a separate occasion, speaking to a group of Republican ethnic leaders (7 August 1988): "I will never apologize for the United States – I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." The quote, although unrelated to the downing of the Iranian air liner and not in any official capacity, has been attributed as such

[Runkel]

Nüüd, kui tegu on üles tunnistatud, tasuks kinnitust saada ka sellele, kas tegu oli tahtlik või juhtus see tahtmatult. Küllap Alide ja Mohamedide tundjad eriosakondades on hukkunud reisijate nimed kordi läbi kamminud aga ikkagi... Raketilahingu taustal saab see lend lennuloa. Raske on uskuda, et tsiviillennud ja Iraani ÕT nii erinevates inforuumides olid, seda siis ÕT poolt vaadates. Lääneriigid pakkusid koheselt, et õnnetus juhtus eksikombel lastud raketiga. Kas seda oletada oli rohkem alust või prooviti sellega Iraani tähtis ülestunnistus kätte saada. Pingeolukorras vale liigutus on muidugi väga mõistetav ja tõenäoline.

[Kriku]

Akf Peetri väärtuslikud mälestused "Tor" õhutõrjesüsteemist tegin omaette teemaks: http://www.militaar.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... 40&t=44705

[Poti soldat]

Pole erilist loogikat tahtlikus allatulistamises. Kui Iraan oleks tahtnud mõnda reisijat kätte saada siis alati saab lihtsalt arreteerida ja kuulutada et püüti kinni ohtlik zionistide agent. Erinevad inforuumid on täitsa võimalikud, Revolutsiooniline Kaardivägi on kõrgeima usujuhi otsealluvuses olev eraldiseisev struktuur.

[diesel]

ei maksa asju keeruliseks mõelda.
nüüd tuleb süütute karistamine ja süüdlaste premeerimine ja siis vajub kõik unustusse.