Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 06 Veebr, 2023 20:00
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Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 06 Veebr, 2023 20:03
Kohe sekkuvad vandenõuteoreetikud ja väidavad, et tegu polnud mitte ilmavaatluspalli vaid ufo-ga nagu Roswellis.
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 06 Veebr, 2023 20:44
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 06 Veebr, 2023 21:22
Täpsustus õige... 
Aga selle õhus olnud asja suurus siis järgmine-60m pikk ja sisaldas umbes lennuki mahus tehnikat. Samuti sisaldas arvatavalt ka lõhkekeha, et hävitada see võimalusel.
The Chinese spy balloon was 200 feet tall and had a payload the size of a jetliner. The balloon weighed more than a couple thousand pounds and potentially carried explosives "to detonate and destroy the balloon", senior US general says - Reuters
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622662819706544140
Allakukkunud tükid on laiali ca 15x15 jalgpalliväljaku suurusel alal
NORTHCOM commander: Debris field from Chinese balloon is about 15 football fields by 15 football fields.
Balloon 200 feet tall, payload about the size of Embraer ERJs
https://twitter.com/beverstine/status/1 ... 0715302912
2018 aastal Hiina testis selliseid lennuvahendeid koos 3 erineva lõhkekehaga rakettidega
"Video footage carried by CCTV and reposted on social media app Douyin in 2018, but now deleted, showed a balloon visually identical to the one over the US last week, carrying what looked like three different kinds of warheads"
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622665523849830411
Donald Trump ei pööranud sellele eriti tähelepanu, kui tema valitsemisajal need riigi kohal olid.
Alleged Chinese spy balloons were spotted on several occasions during Trump’s administration, including three instances where they traveled near sensitive US military facilities and training areas, according to people familiar with the matter - Bloomberg
The balloons were spotted near Texas, Florida and Hawaii, as well as Guam, where the US has naval and air force bases – the balloons also flew near Norfolk, Virginia, and Coronado, California - two ports where the US stations its aircraft carriers.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622714230846750736
Teistel andmetel ei olnud neid siis
The top General from NORAD and John Kirby admit the U.S. Military did not detect the earlier Chinese spy flights during the Trump Administration.
https://twitter.com/MMp16561147/status/ ... 4175601665
USA U-2 luurelennukid käisid selle lennuvahendi kohal lendamas, enne kui see alla lasti.
U-2 Spy Planes Snooped On Chinese Surveillance Balloon
https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/stat ... 7270386688
Aga selle õhus olnud asja suurus siis järgmine-60m pikk ja sisaldas umbes lennuki mahus tehnikat. Samuti sisaldas arvatavalt ka lõhkekeha, et hävitada see võimalusel.
The Chinese spy balloon was 200 feet tall and had a payload the size of a jetliner. The balloon weighed more than a couple thousand pounds and potentially carried explosives "to detonate and destroy the balloon", senior US general says - Reuters
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622662819706544140
Allakukkunud tükid on laiali ca 15x15 jalgpalliväljaku suurusel alal
NORTHCOM commander: Debris field from Chinese balloon is about 15 football fields by 15 football fields.
Balloon 200 feet tall, payload about the size of Embraer ERJs
https://twitter.com/beverstine/status/1 ... 0715302912
2018 aastal Hiina testis selliseid lennuvahendeid koos 3 erineva lõhkekehaga rakettidega
"Video footage carried by CCTV and reposted on social media app Douyin in 2018, but now deleted, showed a balloon visually identical to the one over the US last week, carrying what looked like three different kinds of warheads"
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622665523849830411
Donald Trump ei pööranud sellele eriti tähelepanu, kui tema valitsemisajal need riigi kohal olid.
Alleged Chinese spy balloons were spotted on several occasions during Trump’s administration, including three instances where they traveled near sensitive US military facilities and training areas, according to people familiar with the matter - Bloomberg
The balloons were spotted near Texas, Florida and Hawaii, as well as Guam, where the US has naval and air force bases – the balloons also flew near Norfolk, Virginia, and Coronado, California - two ports where the US stations its aircraft carriers.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622714230846750736
Teistel andmetel ei olnud neid siis
The top General from NORAD and John Kirby admit the U.S. Military did not detect the earlier Chinese spy flights during the Trump Administration.
https://twitter.com/MMp16561147/status/ ... 4175601665
USA U-2 luurelennukid käisid selle lennuvahendi kohal lendamas, enne kui see alla lasti.
U-2 Spy Planes Snooped On Chinese Surveillance Balloon
https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/stat ... 7270386688
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 07 Veebr, 2023 11:40
Ladina-Ameerikas Kolumbia kohal ka üks spiooni õhupall-lennuvahend liikumas
Pentagon says there's another Chinese spy balloon
The U.S. Pentagon has revealed that there is yet another Chinese spy balloon, Fox News reports.
The revelation was made by U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder on Friday.
"We are seeing reports of a balloon transiting Latin America," Ryder said. "We now assess it is another Chinese surveillance balloon."
It is unclear where this particular Chinese spy balloon is now located. As with the first balloon, details are sparse.
But, on Friday, Columbian officials confirmed the news with a statement, writing:
On February 3, 2023, in the morning, the National Air Defense System , detected an object over 55,000 feet high, which entered Colombian airspace in the northern sector of the country, moving at an average speed of 25 knots, identifying characteristics similar to those of a balloon.
Columbia goes on to add that the Columbian Air Force followed the object until it left Columbian airspace and did not take further action.
Columbia claims that the ballon was determined to "not represent a threat to national security and defense."
https://americandigest.com/pentagon-say ... y-balloon/
Pentagon says there's another Chinese spy balloon
The U.S. Pentagon has revealed that there is yet another Chinese spy balloon, Fox News reports.
The revelation was made by U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder on Friday.
"We are seeing reports of a balloon transiting Latin America," Ryder said. "We now assess it is another Chinese surveillance balloon."
It is unclear where this particular Chinese spy balloon is now located. As with the first balloon, details are sparse.
But, on Friday, Columbian officials confirmed the news with a statement, writing:
On February 3, 2023, in the morning, the National Air Defense System , detected an object over 55,000 feet high, which entered Colombian airspace in the northern sector of the country, moving at an average speed of 25 knots, identifying characteristics similar to those of a balloon.
Columbia goes on to add that the Columbian Air Force followed the object until it left Columbian airspace and did not take further action.
Columbia claims that the ballon was determined to "not represent a threat to national security and defense."
https://americandigest.com/pentagon-say ... y-balloon/
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 07 Veebr, 2023 12:04
Kummaline on see venitamine selle alla laskmisega, pall alustas oma lendu ju Alaskalt ja lendas üle terve USA ning Atlandi ookeani ranna kohal lasti alla. Vahepeal, seal Montanas jne on neid väheasustatud alasid küllalt (hiinlased nuhkisid seal vist raketiväljade kohal). Taolisi trikke tegi omal ajal USA NSVL-ga, nimetati neid DA (dreifujushii aerostat). Iga PVO või piirialade VVS-i vend kirjutab oma memuaarides - toimus võidujooks, kes selle alla laseb ja ordeni saab. Tavaliselt sai ordeni aga piirivalve, kuna tõendina tuli ette näidata palli jäänused ja need sadasid alla enamasti piiri lähedal, kus PVO-l "saapaid maas" polnud. Seega PVO tulistas ja piirivalve sai ordeneid.
Isegi Loemaa polk Lutskis olevat korra osalenud taolises jahis, kuna aga Su-17M2 omas selleks vaid kahureid, siis need paar mürsu läbilendu ei toonud palli alla. Korra jookseb teema läbi ja Vaino "Raketigarnisonis", kus see langes hävitajate saagiks, maapealse PVO tuleulatusse jõudmata. Venes muidugi end sellise pisiasjaga ei vaevatud, et keegi saab juppidega pihta - vaenlase hävitamine oli prioriteet
Kui mõelda hiinlaste versiooni peale, siis eks ka Powersi U-2 allalaskmise järel patrasid ameeriklased ilmaluurelennukist, mis eksis kursilt
Isegi Loemaa polk Lutskis olevat korra osalenud taolises jahis, kuna aga Su-17M2 omas selleks vaid kahureid, siis need paar mürsu läbilendu ei toonud palli alla. Korra jookseb teema läbi ja Vaino "Raketigarnisonis", kus see langes hävitajate saagiks, maapealse PVO tuleulatusse jõudmata. Venes muidugi end sellise pisiasjaga ei vaevatud, et keegi saab juppidega pihta - vaenlase hävitamine oli prioriteet
Kui mõelda hiinlaste versiooni peale, siis eks ka Powersi U-2 allalaskmise järel patrasid ameeriklased ilmaluurelennukist, mis eksis kursilt
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 07 Veebr, 2023 13:00
Tea mis need hieroglüüfid seal palli peal tähendavad
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 07 Veebr, 2023 13:04
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 0:01
Taiwan testis uut tiibraketti, mis peaks olema vajadusel võimeline tabama Hiina kesk- ja idapiirkondi
Taiwan weapons firm test-fires cruise missile believed to be capable of striking central and eastern mainland China
https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1622963845349142528
Taiwan’s top weapons builder has test-fired a missile believed to be capable of hitting mainland China, as cross-strait tensions show no sign of abating.
It has also said it is working with local civilian companies to develop five types of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to build up a drone fleet and boost the military’s surveillance ability.
The moves came amid increasingly active air and naval operations by the People’s Liberation Army around the self-ruled island in recent months. There have also been warnings from US military officials about the increasing risk of cross-strait conflict.
Taiwan showcases combat drones as self-ruled island aims to bolster defences
The government-funded National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology (NCSIST) test-fired the missile from its base in Jiupeng in the island’s southernmost county of Pingtung around 9.10am on Tuesday, according to a notice issued by Taiwan’s Fisheries Agency to warn off air and sea activities near the test site.
Witnesses told local media the missile, believed to be the new Hsiung Sheng cruise missile, left a trail of smoke in the clear sky after it was successfully launched.
The surface-to-surface missile is an extended-range version of the Hsiung Feng IIE, which is able to hit targets up to 1,200km (746 miles) – far enough to reach major mainland cities such as Qingdao on the east coast or Wuhan in the centure.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... nd-eastern
Taiwan weapons firm test-fires cruise missile believed to be capable of striking central and eastern mainland China
https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1622963845349142528
Taiwan’s top weapons builder has test-fired a missile believed to be capable of hitting mainland China, as cross-strait tensions show no sign of abating.
It has also said it is working with local civilian companies to develop five types of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to build up a drone fleet and boost the military’s surveillance ability.
The moves came amid increasingly active air and naval operations by the People’s Liberation Army around the self-ruled island in recent months. There have also been warnings from US military officials about the increasing risk of cross-strait conflict.
Taiwan showcases combat drones as self-ruled island aims to bolster defences
The government-funded National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology (NCSIST) test-fired the missile from its base in Jiupeng in the island’s southernmost county of Pingtung around 9.10am on Tuesday, according to a notice issued by Taiwan’s Fisheries Agency to warn off air and sea activities near the test site.
Witnesses told local media the missile, believed to be the new Hsiung Sheng cruise missile, left a trail of smoke in the clear sky after it was successfully launched.
The surface-to-surface missile is an extended-range version of the Hsiung Feng IIE, which is able to hit targets up to 1,200km (746 miles) – far enough to reach major mainland cities such as Qingdao on the east coast or Wuhan in the centure.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... nd-eastern
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 0:05
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 12:59
Kui see pall vähegi tehnoloogiline oli, siis vajalik luureinfo on hiinlastel juba sati kaudu ammu käes, praegu pole 1960ndad, kus oli vaja õnnestumiseks aerofilmid ja magnetlindid füüsiliselt gondlist kätte saada, muidu on mahavisatud raha.
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 15:58
Palli kui luureaparaadi tõestamine on olulisem kui sellelt mingi tehnoloogilise info hankimine - Hiina ju väitis, et tegemist "kõigest süütu meteopalliga".
Üks asi on teada, teine asi rahvusvaheliselt tõestada!
Üks asi on teada, teine asi rahvusvaheliselt tõestada!
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 21:01
USA on asunud täitma plaani avada uuesti oma kunagist Aasia suurimat sõjaväebaasi Filipiinidel. See jäeti 30 aastat tagasi maha. Nüüd siis Hiina arengutega seoses, hakatakse sellele uuesti eluvaimu sisse puhuma. Lisaks on veel 5-s piirkonnas soov ehitisi ja baase rajama asuda. Arvatavalt avatakse ka kunagine lennubaas Clark AFB(kohaliku armee kasutuses) mingis osas neile uuesti.
Soon enough, the Subic Bay and Clark AFB may return to operational capacity. I pray for its successful return.
https://twitter.com/kosjvanta/status/16 ... 4477381633
The U.S. military will likely return to Subic Bay 30 years after relinquishing what was once their largest military base in Asia due to concerns over China's increasing maritime assertiveness, a top official of the local body overseeing the free port zone said.
The former U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay, which faces the South China Sea, has become a bustling free port that employs about 150,000 locals, administered by the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority.
Manila and Washington have been in negotiations over setting up five more locations in the Asian country to build U.S. military facilities and preposition weapons under the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement.
Rolen Paulino, chairman of the SBMA, told Kyodo News on Wednesday that he would be "very surprised" if Subic Bay does not become an EDCA site, as "during war, time is of the essence," a day before the 30th anniversary of the U.S. Navy's departure from the harbor that it had controlled for nearly 94 years.
USA sõjavägi naaseb tõenäoliselt Subic Baysse 30 aastat pärast seda, kui nad on loobunud kunagisest Aasia suurimast sõjaväebaasist, kuna kardetakse Hiina kasvavat merenduslikku enesekindlust, ütles vabasadamatsooni valvava kohaliku asutuse kõrgeim ametnik.
Endisest USA mereväebaasi Subic Bayst, mis asub Lõuna-Hiina mere poole, on saanud elav vabasadam, mis annab tööd umbes 150 000 kohalikule elanikule ja mida haldab Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority.
Manila ja Washington on pidanud läbirääkimisi Aasia riigis veel viie asukoha loomise üle, et ehitada USA sõjaväerajatisi ja paigutada relvi tõhustatud kaitsekoostöö lepingu alusel.
SBMA esimees Rolen Paulino ütles kolmapäeval Kyodo Newsile, et ta oleks "väga üllatunud", kui Subic Bay ei muutuks EDCA saidiks, sest "sõja ajal on aeg väga oluline", päev enne 30. aastapäeva. USA mereväe lahkumine sadamast, mida ta oli kontrollinud peaaegu 94 aastat.
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 ... sence.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subic_Bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Air_Base
Soon enough, the Subic Bay and Clark AFB may return to operational capacity. I pray for its successful return.
https://twitter.com/kosjvanta/status/16 ... 4477381633
The U.S. military will likely return to Subic Bay 30 years after relinquishing what was once their largest military base in Asia due to concerns over China's increasing maritime assertiveness, a top official of the local body overseeing the free port zone said.
The former U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay, which faces the South China Sea, has become a bustling free port that employs about 150,000 locals, administered by the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority.
Manila and Washington have been in negotiations over setting up five more locations in the Asian country to build U.S. military facilities and preposition weapons under the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement.
Rolen Paulino, chairman of the SBMA, told Kyodo News on Wednesday that he would be "very surprised" if Subic Bay does not become an EDCA site, as "during war, time is of the essence," a day before the 30th anniversary of the U.S. Navy's departure from the harbor that it had controlled for nearly 94 years.
USA sõjavägi naaseb tõenäoliselt Subic Baysse 30 aastat pärast seda, kui nad on loobunud kunagisest Aasia suurimast sõjaväebaasist, kuna kardetakse Hiina kasvavat merenduslikku enesekindlust, ütles vabasadamatsooni valvava kohaliku asutuse kõrgeim ametnik.
Endisest USA mereväebaasi Subic Bayst, mis asub Lõuna-Hiina mere poole, on saanud elav vabasadam, mis annab tööd umbes 150 000 kohalikule elanikule ja mida haldab Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority.
Manila ja Washington on pidanud läbirääkimisi Aasia riigis veel viie asukoha loomise üle, et ehitada USA sõjaväerajatisi ja paigutada relvi tõhustatud kaitsekoostöö lepingu alusel.
SBMA esimees Rolen Paulino ütles kolmapäeval Kyodo Newsile, et ta oleks "väga üllatunud", kui Subic Bay ei muutuks EDCA saidiks, sest "sõja ajal on aeg väga oluline", päev enne 30. aastapäeva. USA mereväe lahkumine sadamast, mida ta oli kontrollinud peaaegu 94 aastat.
https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 ... sence.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subic_Bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Air_Base
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 08 Veebr, 2023 21:37
Hiina kaitseminister keeldub USA osapoolega rääkimast peale Hiina meteo"luure"õhupalli alla laskmist USA poolt.
The Chinese Defense Ministry has reportedly refused calls from U.S Defense Officials that were aimed at Reducing Tensions between the Countries.
Multiple calls have been requested since the Chinese High-Altitude Surveillance Balloon was shot down by U.S Air Force F-22s off the Coast of South Carolina with all of them being refused.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 9816386562
They are saying the call actually took place directly after they splashed the isr balloon. Loyd Austin called directlyaftwr and got no answer.
https://twitter.com/defbulletin/status/ ... 9869845504
Why is the Defense Ministry upset about losing an alleged civilian balloon that has nothing to do with the Defense Ministry?
https://twitter.com/RallySim/status/1623137375021936640
Meteo"luure"õhupalli tegemistest eelnevalt
Some more details of the Chinese spy balloon
WSJ: "The U.S. intelligence community has linked the Chinese spy balloon shot down to a vast surveillance program run by the PLA, and U.S. officials have begun to brief allies and partners who have been similarly targeted"
WSJ: "The chinese balloon has collected information on military assets in countries and areas of emerging strategic interest to China including Japan, India, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines, according to several U.S. officials"
WSJ: "Officials have said these surveillance airships, operated in part by the PLA air force, have been spotted over five continents. On Monday, the Deputy Secretary of State a briefing on China’s balloon espionage for some 150 people from about 40 embassies"
WSJ: "Separately, U.S. officials have begun to share specifics with officials in countries such as Japan whose military facilities were targeted by Beijing"
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1623118797757349888
EDIT 10.02.2023
US says China has flown surveillance balloons over more than 40 countries across five continents, senior state dept official says - Reuters
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1623691811968393220
The Chinese Defense Ministry has reportedly refused calls from U.S Defense Officials that were aimed at Reducing Tensions between the Countries.
Multiple calls have been requested since the Chinese High-Altitude Surveillance Balloon was shot down by U.S Air Force F-22s off the Coast of South Carolina with all of them being refused.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 9816386562
They are saying the call actually took place directly after they splashed the isr balloon. Loyd Austin called directlyaftwr and got no answer.
https://twitter.com/defbulletin/status/ ... 9869845504
Why is the Defense Ministry upset about losing an alleged civilian balloon that has nothing to do with the Defense Ministry?
https://twitter.com/RallySim/status/1623137375021936640
Meteo"luure"õhupalli tegemistest eelnevalt
Some more details of the Chinese spy balloon
WSJ: "The U.S. intelligence community has linked the Chinese spy balloon shot down to a vast surveillance program run by the PLA, and U.S. officials have begun to brief allies and partners who have been similarly targeted"
WSJ: "The chinese balloon has collected information on military assets in countries and areas of emerging strategic interest to China including Japan, India, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines, according to several U.S. officials"
WSJ: "Officials have said these surveillance airships, operated in part by the PLA air force, have been spotted over five continents. On Monday, the Deputy Secretary of State a briefing on China’s balloon espionage for some 150 people from about 40 embassies"
WSJ: "Separately, U.S. officials have begun to share specifics with officials in countries such as Japan whose military facilities were targeted by Beijing"
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1623118797757349888
EDIT 10.02.2023
US says China has flown surveillance balloons over more than 40 countries across five continents, senior state dept official says - Reuters
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1623691811968393220
Re: Hiina vs. USA
Postitatud: 10 Veebr, 2023 22:50
Alaska kohal lasti midagi USA poolt alla. Pressikonverents tuleb varsti-20 minuti pärast.
The Pentagon has downed a object over Alaska - NYT
White House says that the US DoD was tracking a high-altitude object above Alaska. Biden ordered the object to be downed
White House: It is not clear if the downed object near Alaska is state-owned. The object is much smaller than the recently downed Chinese balloon.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1624128297712906240
The Pentagon has downed a object over Alaska - NYT
White House says that the US DoD was tracking a high-altitude object above Alaska. Biden ordered the object to be downed
White House: It is not clear if the downed object near Alaska is state-owned. The object is much smaller than the recently downed Chinese balloon.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1624128297712906240