Re: Soome kaitsevõime peale kärpeid
Postitatud: 13 Nov, 2019 10:54
Tegin piltidest aadressid, aga piltide nägemiseks peab tollesse foorumisse sisse logima.
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Kas nüüd töötab?Kriku kirjutas:Tegin piltidest aadressid, aga piltide nägemiseks peab tollesse foorumisse sisse logima.
Kus kontrollitakse muuhulgas sensorite võimekust soome kliimas (võrrelduna tootjate poolt edastatuga). Lisaks plaanis väga põhjalikud simulatsioonid (nii lennu-simulaatoritel kui täis-arvutisimulatsioonid) kus hävitajate võimekust vaadeldakse terve Soome sõjaväe kontekstist, sõja ajal:* Eurofighter 9.-17.1.2020
* Rafale 20.-28.1.2020
* Gripen 29.-6.2.2020
* F-35 7.-17.2.2020
* Super Hornet 18.-26.2.2020
Lisaks intervjuu soome kindraliga hanke teemal soome ajakirjas (inglisekeelne tõlge f-16.net'ist)HX Challenge is part of the first step in evaluating the combat capability of the aircraft, by ensuring that the input data for the later modelling is done correctly. After this is done, simulated scenarios from the RFQ will be run with four-aircraft strong flights (fun fact, Finland was one of the pioneers in developing two pairs as the basic air combat element in the 1930’s). The aim here is to judge the survivability, ability to perform set missions, and the effectiveness in destroying enemy assets. As this is the Finnish Air Force, air-to-air capabilities will be the most important facto. An interesting question is how exactly simulations will be run. The word virtuaalisimulaattori (virtual simulator) is used, which seems to indicate a full man-in-the-loop simulation (think DCS on steroids, video by Jonathan Lundkvist). This is interesting in many ways, and should give a more correct picture as the value of sub-systems such as helmet-mounted displays and wide-angle displays are included in the evaluation. A good is example is how Gripen pilots like to talk about the benefit their man-machine interface provide compared to more traditional presentations of data which rely heavily on numerical values, and how this isn’t evident in traditional Monte Carlo-style simulations. With HX Challenge and a full-blown simulation the four-ship combat value should be found as accurately as possible without actually leasing four-ships and having them blow stuff up.
These data will then provide the input for a round of grand wargames taking place in the later part of 2020. Here the HX contenders will be simulated as parts of the complete Finnish defence system. This third stage will be the sole stage following which the contenders will be place in any kind of order. Based on this picture of the fighting capability of the aircrafts in their 2025-configuration together with input from an study into the development potential of the system (it’s never just about the individual aircraft) up until the end of the 2050’s the final warfighting capability-ranking will be made, and this should then in turn dictate which aircraft will be bought (the rest of the conditions being pass/fail-style).
General of Finland's fighter candidates: "I haven't seen any flight hour prices in public which would be close to our calculations."
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According to him [CO of the FDF Logistics Command Gen Kari Renko, which does the procurement], the negotiations are not coffee table discussions, but the negotiation teams of each of the five fighter manufacturers consist of groups of 40 to 60 people. On the Finnish side, some 70 people are involved in the whole procurement process in one way or another.
“If a system is still in the development stage, performance can be measured under laboratory conditions. The information is not so good, so it adds to the uncertainty, and we look at the [lower threshold] of results. The more unfinished a candidate is, its performance is sort of diminished in comparison, ”Renko explains.
Iterative process
“We give the manufacturer feedback on what kind of problems they have with their proposal. Then they change the content of the acquisition, offering, for example, one type of missile instead of another because it solves something better in our scenarios, ”says Renko.
According to him, there were significant information gaps in the answers to the first invitation to tender.
"The questions were misunderstood, there was a hurry to answer, or the bidder might have had an answer, but the government of the country had not had time to grant the release."
Due to the shortcomings, an additional round of negotiations was held.
Based on the initial replies to the initial invitation to tender, no tenderer met the requirements of the first evaluation area. That's not the point, because the process is iterative.”
Maintenance, price calculation
The price estimate cannot go far if you focus only on the airplane. For example, if a fighter candidate has a relatively weaker self defense system, it cannot go near the target, but needs a longer range weapon system, respectively. Range increase, on the other hand, typically means a more expensive weapon.
The Defense Forces have a sophisticated calculation model based on international military standards to determine the cost of the various components. The model feeds, for example, failure intervals for various devices, repair times, logistics delays in repair processes, and personnel.
If equipment maintenance is overseas, the repair may have a greater logistical delay, requiring replacement equipment. The cost impact can then be significant. If the maintenance is organized in Finland, you will need trained staff, specialized tools and testing equipment.
The calculation model is validated by entering data from the current Hornet fleet. According to Renko, the end results are close enough to the real costs.
“In public, there's for example flight hour price information floating around, for which the data has been supplied by these providers. I've yet to see the first number that would be relatively close to what it would be in our system. I'm not claiming that the figures are wrong, it's more of a matter of what is included in the calculation.'
In calculating operating costs, the armed forces are bound by the accounting rules of the central government. For example, the costs of air control and combat are not included in the costs of fighter jets.
Renko jokes that a four-hour answer could be given.
“The short answer is that we use cost excluding depreciation. We include all maintenance, spare parts, replacement equipment, fuel, direct personnel and space costs, and air traffic control services that we purchase. ”
Type of use
“On the basis of Hornet usage, we have provided estimates of Finland's usage spectrum. The manufacturer is allowed to comment on this, as the mission mix (= set of different flight tasks and their shares) may be aircraft-specific. You have to justify why their machine type would be different. ”
Then it's winter. According to Renko, there is no scientific approach to this, but the Air Force has learned over the decades that operating in cold climates is often a question of use.
“For example, there was a lot of malfunction in the steering system when the Hornet fleet was launched. We then learn that when you take a moving control system test before taking off, the hydraulic fluid remains cold. When the same test was run twice, the problems disappeared. ”
Typical disturbances caused by winter weather include seals leaking in the cold. Problems are solved by replacing them with alternative seals.
"After the first five years of use, those [problems] start to recede."
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Mille pinnalt selliseid väiteid esitame? Kas pelgalt selle pinnalt, et Soome uus peaminister on „noor“ ja „naine“ või? Ja millised veel on need „Soome ühiskonnas praegu latentselt eksisteerivad kaitsevõime vähendamise kavad“? Näita mulle kah.Kapten Trumm kirjutas:Vaadates eilseid uudiseid, kus peaministriks sai napivõitu elukogemuse, aga see eest ülivõimukas "maailma noorim (nais)peaminister", julgen prognoosida, et Soome ühiskonnas praegu latentselt eksisteerivad kaitsevõime vähendamise kavad saavad peagi tuult tiibadesse. Vabanevast rahavoost huvituvaid osapooli on piisavalt ja nüüd oleks sobiv ka tegutseda - uus põlvkond võimul, likvideerime külma sõja (kulukad) igandid Soome riigist.