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Gideonic kirjutas: ↑06 Veebr, 2024 16:09 Sihilikult lood hernehirmutise ja räägid teemast mööda. Jutt ei ole ju üleüldisest (ja pikaajalisest) Israeli aitamisest, vaid sellest, et "just täpselt nüüd" 02.2024 alguses on erakordselt tähtis 14.10 rünnakute valguses Israelile lisaraha jagada. Ja see ja ainult see on nüüd piisavalt oluline teema, mida võtta vahele piirijagelemisele (aga vot novembris jälle ei olnud).

Ühltasi akf OhYeah, MadMan jt ... Kas teile arust on see mõistlik seisukoht et arutada nüüd seda konkreetset lisarahastust (mitte Israeli abi laiemalt, mitte piiriküsimust) "just nüüd ja praegu" nii et Ukraina rahastust lauale ei tõsteta?

Biden võib ju "m*nn" ja "kurjajuur" olla, aga rääkida et mitte ükski vabariiklane ei tee milligrammigi eest poliitteatrit ukrainlaste elude hinnaga (jah- demokraadid teevad ka) on ikka ka ülim kõlakoda

Oleks riigimehelisust ja tahtmist, siis seda kaarti mängu ei võetaks, ja mõlemad osapooled, üritaks seda äärmiselt kahtesusväärset olukorda lahendada. nagu täiesti suurepäraselt ei tehtud ligi 2 aastat (02.2022- 10.2023), hoolimata MAGA tiiva pingutustest.

MadMan kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 11:10Viidatud Jake Broe postitusel on ta kommentaar, et kui Johnson paneks Ukraina abi eraldi hääletusele, siis see läheks kohe läbi. Ma olen sama meelt.

Kilo Tango kirjutas: ↑06 Veebr, 2024 22:54 Kiidetud olgu issand, kes laskis tõde seekord sedapidi paista! Endal paha ei hakka sedasi valetades?

Dr. Francisco Diaz, the district's chief medical examiner, announced the causes of deaths as:

Ashli Babbitt, 35, died by homicide from a gunshot to the left shoulder.
Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease.
Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease.
Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication.

During the riots, Sicknick was reportedly hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and pepper-sprayed twice. The medical examiner determined that played a role in the stroke that claimed his life. *
Three days after the attack, a Capitol officer of 15 years, Howard Liebengood, died by suicide.
Officer Jeffrey Smith did the same several days later.

See Kapitooliumi "ründamine" kus inimesed käisid viisakalt piirete vahel...

soul kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 13:52 Täpsusta siis palun seda lõiku ka.

Madis Reivik kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 14:29 Ah et "konservatiivsetele" siis ei meeldi fact check.

OhYeah kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 13:34

During the riots, Sicknick was reportedly hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and pepper-sprayed twice. The medical examiner determined that played a role in the stroke that claimed his life. *

* "played a role" ei ole sama mis "the cause of"

On January 7, 2021, a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer, Brian Sicknick, died after suffering two strokes the day after he responded to an attack on the U.S. Capitol.[2] The District of Columbia chief medical examiner found that Sicknick had died from stroke, classifying his death as natural[a] and additionally commented that "all that transpired played a role in his condition",[4][2][5] a decision which was criticized by some expert neurologists, who have stated that stress from the attack may have very well caused the stroke.[6] His cremated remains were laid in honor in the Capitol Rotunda on February 2, 2021, before they were buried with full honors at Arlington National Cemetery.[7]

Multiple media outlets reported Sicknick's death was due to injuries he sustained, but months later the Washington, D.C. medical examiner reported there were no injuries to Sicknick.[4] Within a day after his death, the U.S. Capitol Police and the U.S. Justice Department each said that his death was due to injuries from the attack.[8][9][10] Meanwhile, media, citing two anonymous law enforcement officials, incorrectly reported for weeks that Sicknick had died after being struck in the head with a fire extinguisher during the unrest.[4][11][12]

Sicknick's death was investigated by the Metropolitan Police Department's Homicide Branch, the USCP, and the FBI.[9] On March 14, Julian Khater and George Tanios were arrested for assaulting Sicknick with a chemical spray and for other charges.[13] The medical examiner found no evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to the chemical spray.[4] Prosecutors later said on April 27 that the chemical spray was pepper spray.[14][15] On January 28, 2023, Khater was sentenced to almost seven years in prison for assaulting an officer with a chemical irritant.[2][16][17][18]

Kriku kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 12:55 Aga miks ta siis seda ei tee? Paar päeva tagasi oli uudis, et tahab esitada Iisraeli abipaketti eraldi, aga Ukraina oma mitte: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-aid-rep ... 04831.html

New speaker Johnson says he wants to split up Israel, Ukraine aid...

President Joe Biden had also issued a veto threat against the standalone Israel aid bill, citing a desire to include it as part of a larger national security package.

MadMan kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 15:32

Kriku kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 12:55 Aga miks ta siis seda ei tee? Paar päeva tagasi oli uudis, et tahab esitada Iisraeli abipaketti eraldi, aga Ukraina oma mitte: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-aid-rep ... 04831.html

Ametisse asudes ütles Johnson kohe, et tahab need abipaketid eraldi eelnõudena välja tuua.
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2 ... -shootings

New speaker Johnson says he wants to split up Israel, Ukraine aid...

OhYeah kirjutas: ↑06 Veebr, 2024 22:07 ...

Madis Reivik kirjutas: ↑06 Veebr, 2024 22:05 Ah et Trump on terve mõistuse päästja ? Kapitooliumi ründamine ja kloorilakkumine on terve mõistus ?

See Kapitooliumi "ründamine" kus inimesed käisid viisakalt piirete vahel ja ainus inimene, kes surma sai lasti Kapitooliumi turvatöötaja poolt maha?
...

Kriku kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 16:35 Küsin uuesti, miks ta seda ei tee?

House Speaker Mike Johnson told fellow Republicans on Tuesday that sweeping changes to U.S. border policy would be their “hill to die on” in negotiations that have already grown tense as Congress considers President Joe Biden’s $110 billion package for the wars in Ukraine and Israel and other security needs.

“I just told him [Johnson] it’s an absolute no-go,” Greene said. “If he funds $60 billion to fund a war in Ukraine to continue killing a whole generation of Ukrainian men — to continue a war that is a losing war, that [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky’s ready for peace talks — yeah, I would introduce the motion to vacate myself.”
...
“We must insist — must insist — that the border be the top priority,” the Speaker said after the meeting.

“I do not think we should do a Border Deal, at all, unless we get EVERYTHING needed to shut down the INVASION of Millions & Millions of people, many from parts unknown, into our once great, but soon to be great again, Country!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
...
Trump’s comments came hours after Speaker Johnson (R-La.) and other congressional leaders met with White House officials to discuss the path forward on a national security funding request from the Biden administration that includes funding for Ukraine in its war against Russia, as well as money for Israel and border security.

mart2 kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 17:05 Meil koolis oli kasutusel väljend - "Loll olla on loll ..."
Kuid antud juhul on suisa avalik valetamine, arvates, et keegi teine midagi ei tea!
Mälu värskendus "viisakatest jalutajatest" -
New footage reveals how violent Capitol rioters overwhelmed police on January 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w

Kiire otsing võib anda veelgi videosid, et saaksid end harida antud küsimuses. Kui muidugi põhimõtted lubavad ...

OhYeah kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 22:02

mart2 kirjutas: ↑07 Veebr, 2024 17:05 Meil koolis oli kasutusel väljend - "Loll olla on loll ..."
Kuid antud juhul on suisa avalik valetamine, arvates, et keegi teine midagi ei tea!
Mälu värskendus "viisakatest jalutajatest" -
New footage reveals how violent Capitol rioters overwhelmed police on January 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w

Kiire otsing võib anda veelgi videosid, et saaksid end harida antud küsimuses. Kui muidugi põhimõtted lubavad ...

https://youtu.be/IOGXkMmtl6I - Rioters Walk Through Capitol Building, Statuary Hall Outside of House Chamber | MSNBC

Äkki jäi kahe silma vahele ennem.

Ja äkki see osa minu postitusest jäi kah:

Kas enne seda toimusid kokkupõrked turvatöötajate ja politsei ning protestijate vahel, kus inimesed said viga? Jah.
Kas Trumpi otsus keerata inimeste emotsioonid lakke, kutsuda nad protestima ja siis ise kiirelt lahkuda öeldes "oleme ikka sõbrad edasi" oli idiootne? Jah.

Kas 6. jaanuari sündmused olid dramaatiline riigipöörde katse millest peaks lakkamatult aastaid hiljem ikka häält väristades jaurama? EI.