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Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 16 Aug, 2016 18:10
Postitas aest
Miks te arvate et Putin lollakas on ja paneb matsu seal kus selle panekut kõik eeldamas, s.t. Ukrainas? Kui ta tõesti mingit järjekordset sigadust kokku tahab keerata siis teeb ta seda kusagil hoopistükkis mujal.
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 16 Aug, 2016 22:35
Postitas Otto K
Birjukov on ka paras ulmekirjanik
Он написал, что в воскресенье, 14 августа, противник подошел к нашему опорному пункту на расстояние 100 м и открыли по нему огонь. Так как ВСУ отдан приказ не отвечать на провокации, ответный огонь они не открывали. Вместе с тем, через 20 минут ДРГ боевиков отступила, оставив на поле боя два трупа.
Et siis U-lased vastutuld ei ava (provokatsioonidele) aga gängarid tulid 100 meetri kaugusele, tulistasid 20 minutit U-laste kindlustatud punkti ning maha jäi kaks gängarist laipa
Siin on vist samast sündmusest juttu. 14.08.2016 Popasna juures.
https://www.facebook.com/butusov.yuriy/ ... 7332909893
Tegelikult ikkagi läks U-laste ja gängarite vahel korralikuks andmiseks ja tulemuseks oli 2 haavatut gängarit kes andsid kohapeal otsad. Pildid kah.
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 16 Aug, 2016 23:48
Postitas ruger
Vene peaminister lubab raha Kertši ja Sevastopoli vahelise maantee uuendamiseks
https://twitter.com/tvrain/status/765620089467047936
Krasnodarist Krimmi suunas? liikuv sõjaväeešelon
https://liveuamap.com/en/2016/16-august ... -on-14-aug
Ameeriklased Lvivi kaupa toomas
https://twitter.com/Ukr_Che/status/765648686047236096
Ukrainlased uurimas üle 600 laeva infot, mis sildusid Krimmis
https://www.occrp.org/ru/investigations ... -sanctions
Kertšis uut vene tehnikat Krimmi liikumas
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status ... 9714545664
OSCE fikseeris Krasny Luchy lähedal Miusinskis hulga vene tehnikat
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status ... 8118252548
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 15:57
Postitas loyalist
Kas keegi oskab öelda kas siin fotogaleriis on tegu õppuste või lahingutega?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 16:10
Postitas Miki
Fotod tehtud profi poolt, tõeliselt tasemel
Vaadata tuleks ka tausta - ümbrust, mitte paugutajat või pauku.
Nt. fotol lendav veepudel õhus annab juba mingi vastuse..
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 16:46
Postitas loyalist
Miki kirjutas:Fotod tehtud profi poolt, tõeliselt tasemel
Vaadata tuleks ka tausta - ümbrust, mitte paugutajat või pauku.
Nt. fotol lendav veepudel õhus annab juba mingi vastuse..
Selge. Tegu on siis ikkagi õppustega?
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 17:01
Postitas Miki
Väidaksin siiski, et tegemist ei ole õppusega (vähemalt fotol - lendava pudeliga).
Fotograafi - autori postitusest võib arusaada, et pildistatud on Shirokino külas, mis teatavasti asub Ukrainas sõjatsoonis siis eeldavasti pole tegemist õppuste jäädvustustega.
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 17:37
Postitas Fucs
Hull kirjutab:
Большой перерыв в работе ресурса связан с коренными изменениями в системе управления подразделениями ВС РФ на территории Украины. Это потребовало определенного количества времени для вскрытия новых каналов связи и налаживания источников информации внутри новых командных структур.
Кратко об изменениях Все подразделения ВС РФ на территории Украины переданы в непосредственное управление ФСБ РФ. Оперативно-штабная группа ГШ ВС РФ "Радомысль" расформирована. Непосредственное оперативное управление возложено на оперативно-штабную группу "Рокот". Руководитель имеет документы на имя Коростышева Юрия Павловича, подполковника ВС РФ. Общее количество войск на момент передачи командных функций составляло 27 893 в\с. Кроме того в распоряжение ОШГ "Рокот" переданы два вертолетных и одно авиационное подразделение из состава ЮВО ВС РФ (количество и состав уточняется).
За ГШ ВС РФ оставлена функция обеспечения ротации подразделений по требованию. За структурами Южного военного округа оставлены функции транспортировки, эвакуации и медицинского обслуживания. Подразделения 739 осмбат ВВ МВД РФ (*отдельный специальный моторизованный батальон внутренних войск,Ижевск.) и ОДОН ВВ МВД РФ выполнявшие функции заградительных отрядов выведены с территории Украины. Функции заградительных отрядов переданы объединенной специализированной группе ФСБ РФ "Заслон", сформированной на основе пограничных войск РФ.
17.08.2016 г.
Р-н н.п Докучаевск Подразделения 13-о гв. танкового полка (* в/ч 32010 Наро-Фоминск) при выдвижении выполнении поставленных задач накрыты артиллерийским огнем ВСУ . 200" -2, "300" - 6 ТМН -1 Уничтожено 2 единицы бронетехники.
Р-н н.п. Талаковка Подразделения 83-й одшбр (* отдельная десантно-штурмовая бригада ВДВ РФ) при выполнении боевых задач "200" - 1 "300" - 3 ТМН - 2
Р-н н.п. Марьинка Подразделения 64-й омбр (* отдельная мотострелковая бригада, 35-я ОА, Амурская обол.) при выполнении боевых задач ответный огонь ВСУ "200" - 4 "300" -9 (1 тяжело).
Р-н н.п. Широкино Подразделения 8-о артиллерийского полка (*Крым) при выполнении боевых задач ответный огонь ВСУ "200" - 2 "300" - 4. Уничтожена 1 ед. арт. техники.
EDIT:
Функции заградительных отрядов переданы объединенной специализированной группе ФСБ РФ "Заслон", сформированной на основе пограничных войск РФ.
See
Заслон tundus kuidagi tuttav..... ja vaatasin.....
VF raadiojaam S32 (nn. "numbrijaam" nagu ka Lääne SVR jaamad S28 "ЖУОЗ" ja S5292 "ФАЗАН-37")
(Rostov-na-Donu, 72th communication hub, 4th Air defence and air force army network(not confirmed), South Military District,Russia) on edastanud alates 05.12.2014 kuni tänaseni teateid üksusele koodnimega ЗАСЛОНКА-27
Ilmselt kokkusattumus, aga ikkagi huvitav

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 19:06
Postitas ruger
Tuntud venemeelne propagandist Graham Philips ilmunud välja ja lubab jälle olla Krimmi ja DNR-i jaoks olemas
I'm setting off in a few hours for some months in #Crimea and #Donbass - hoping for the best in everything!
https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/765644820543078400
Venemaa saatis DNR-i õhukaitse(raketi)pataljoni
#Ukraine Intel: #Russia deployed AA missile battalion to Donbas to ensure air defense for future deployment of a new motorized rifle brigade
https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/765827183080243200
Olümpiamängudel Rios tormas Gruusia võistleja vene võistlejatele kallale ja rebis neilt Vene riigiliipu käest, karjudes" okupantide jaoks ei ole siin kohta". Venelased põgenesid selle peale.
Во время Олимпиады в Рио произошло столкновение между грузинскими и российскими спортсменами. Россиянин надел флаг РФ, но к нему в гневе подбежал спортсмен из Грузии и в ярости сорвал с перепуганного русского флаг с криками — оккупантам здесь не место, вы отобрали мою землю. После этого грузин пытался порвать флаг России, но не смог и просто бросил его себе под ноги, и тут же начал по нему топтаться. Другие грузинские спортсмены единогласно его поддержали. Русские в панике убежали, им просто нечего было сказать в глаза грузинскому народу. Зал аплодисментами встретил грузинскую сборную и свистом провожал спортсменов из РФ.
http://mediafox.com.ua/news/675333
Vene relvajõudude sissetungibaaside kujunemised 2014 aastal videona 3 suuremat baasi Millerovos, Kamensk-Sahtinskis ja Persianovskis
https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status ... 3159705600
DNR-i sõjaväeüksuste hetke struktuur
https://www.upload.ee/files/6075557/DNR-A4_1_0.pdf.html
Tänased Vene vägede liigutamisest teavitavad postitused
https://twitter.com/oplatsen/status/765779084647534592
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 2012198912
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 9798248450
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 8451088385
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 9690935296
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 6516435974
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 8323390464
https://twitter.com/galandecZP/status/7 ... 3391694849
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 17 Aug, 2016 23:34
Postitas ruger
Vene vägede paigutused ja hinnangud
The Pentagon has identified eight staging areas in Russia where large numbers of military forces appear to be preparing for incursions into Ukraine, according to U.S. defense officials.
As many as 40,000 Russian troops, including tanks, armored vehicles, and air force units, are now arrayed along Ukraine’s eastern border with Russia.
Additionally, large numbers of Russian military forces will conduct exercises in the coming days that Pentagon officials say could be used as cover for an attack on Ukraine.
“Russian units will likely practice reinforcing the [Crimean] peninsula through such activities as amphibious landings and air defense exercises, and this may involve the change out of equipment and long convoys of military vehicles,” one defense official said.
The military exercises are an ominous sign. Similar large-scale Russian exercises were conducted near Ukraine a month before Moscow carried out the covert military operation to take over the strategic Black Sea peninsula in March 2014.
Navy Capt. Danny Hernandez, a spokesman for the U.S. European Command, told the Washington Free Beacon that the upcoming Russian exercises are being closely monitored.
“We are extremely concerned about the increased tensions near the administrative boundary between Crimea and the rest of Ukraine,” Hernandez said. “We urge both sides to avoid provocative steps or rhetoric that could escalate the situation.”
Russian forces do not appear to be building up inside the occupied Crimean Peninsula along the border with Ukraine, he said.
However, over the past several months large numbers of Russian troops and tanks have been moving into eight bases stretching from Yelnya, near Smolensk and northeast of Ukraine, southward through Rostov—a city located very close to eastern Ukraine.
Defense officials said it is not clear whether the massing of forces is saber rattling by Moscow designed to coerce Ukraine into accepting the takeover of Crimea or preparations for further conflict. “Regardless of the reason, the warning time for Russian action has been greatly reduced” by the staging of forces near Ukraine, a second defense official said.
Russian military forces were identified by the officials at eight locations near the Ukrainian border: Yelnya, Klintsy, Valuyki, Boguchar, Millerovo, Persianovskiy, and bases called Rostov-1 and Rostov-2.
Rep. Mike Pompeo (R., Kan.) a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said Russia is continuing aggression and threats against the rest of Ukraine after invading Crimea.
“This is unacceptable and will only serve to further instability in the region,” Pompeo said. “Unfortunately, President Obama is once again ‘leading from behind’ and is doing nearly nothing to buttress the Ukrainian people. Mr. Putin must respect the sovereignty of other nations. This is a non-negotiable lesson most countries learned long ago.”
Wire service reports and online blogs have revealed satellite photos of the Russian military buildup at the eight locations.
Reuters reported in June on the deployment of troops to Klintsy, and the website InformNapalm reported July 30 that armored units of the 28th Motorized Rifle Brigade were moved to a base near Valuyki, and at Rostov.
A Russian military training camp reportedly was set up at Persianovskiy, located about 28 miles north of Rostov, according to a report by the online news outlet Bellingcat. Troops and aircraft at Millerovo also have been identified in satellite photos since 2015.
Reuters reported in September that a Russian military base was being set up near Boguchar, and the blog Russian Military Analysis reported that a motorized rifle brigade was deployed last year to Yelnya.
Mark Schneider, a former Pentagon official, said the troop movements are worrying signs that Moscow may be preparing for war with Ukraine.
“There is lot of press in the last week about a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine including massing of troops,” said Schneider, now with the National Institute for Public Policy.
Russia has denied reports that Moscow is considering breaking diplomatic relations with Ukraine. Ukraine’s government has ordered troops mobilized and placed on alert.
Russia last week accused Ukraine of conducting covert sabotage operations against infrastructure inside Crimea, charges the Kiev government denied. Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russian forces in Crimea would be fortified as a result of the attempted sabotage. Putin is expected to visit Crimea later this week, Reuters reported from Moscow.
Schneider said another troubling sign of possible Russian military action was the recent firing of Putin’s chief of staff, Sergei Ivanov, a former official of the KGB and FSB intelligence services. “Ivanov’s firing could be related to Putin’s desire not to have a powerful KGB/FSB general running the Kremlin when he is going to do something risky,” he said.
Phillip Karber, a former U.S. arms control official who has traveled extensively in Ukraine war zones, identified several new military units at the eight locations, including up to two brigades of the newly established Russian First Guards Tank Army at Yelnya and Klintsy in the north, elements of the 20th Army located to the south of those units, and forces from the 49th Army deployed further south near Rostov.
“The fact that a full scale Russian invasion is still a plausible scenario after 30 months of conflict is an abject repudiation of an American policy of ‘leading from behind’ and West European fetish for trying to find ‘off-ramps’ that Putin hasn’t the slightest interest in taking,” said Karber, now head of the Potomac Foundation.
Karber believes Russian military action against Ukraine could take place and that Moscow’s trumped-up claims of a recent Ukrainian “terrorist” attack in Crimea could be used as a pretext.
Russia appears to be shoring up forces in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, he said. The upcoming military exercises will likely be conducted from areas that could facilitate an attack, using Russian forces deployed in Moldova’s Transnistria region and marine units on ships in the Black Sea, Karber said.
“For the next month the terrain is perfect for armor moving cross-country and the skies are clear for air,” Karber said. “The 24th of August is Ukraine’s Independence Day, which is when the Russians attacked in 2014. A successful campaign, with U.S. and NATO doing nothing but verbiage, re-establishes Russia as a major European Power that has to be dealt with and increases Putin’s popularity at home.”
Karber said a full-scale Russian military offensive likely would aim to seize key military-industrial areas such as the tank plant at Kharkiv, the missile factory at Dnepropetrovsk, the shipyard at Mykolyev, and the port of Odessa.
Russian forces also could drive into Ukraine from the northeast to the outskirts of Kiev and place the capital within artillery range in a bid to force a change of government.
“Loss of that much population, around 14 million people, and territory would effectively end Ukraine as a viable state,” Karber said, adding that the action would involve full-scale war, large numbers of refugees, and heavy casualties. It could also trigger anti-Russian guerrilla warfare.
Still, Russia does not appear to have all the forces in place for a major military operation, he said.
“The more aggressive and ambitious the attack, the further and longer it will isolate Russia from Western Europe, and it would gravely embarrass Putin’s favorite American presidential candidate and make his pro-Russian statements look naive and foolish at best, or worse, an apologist for the aggressor,” Karber said, referring to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... r-ukraine/
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 18 Aug, 2016 11:40
Postitas kaugeltuuriv
See on vahest tõsiseim hoiatus lähenevale jamale.Putin pidi ka järgmisel nädalal Krimmi saabuma,ei tea,kas hakkab isiklikult vägesid juhtima.
Ukraina on igatahes teatanud,et edasise eskalatsiooni puhul käivitatakse järgmine nädal mobilisatsioon.............kohutav,inimkond ei õpi omadest vigadest,kuigi peaks.
1 september on üsna lähedal......kas kurb number kordub.
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 18 Aug, 2016 12:19
Postitas kaugeltuuriv
Lugedes Ukraina meediat tundub,et venelased suurendavad iga päev tulelõõke ja ukrainlased enam ka lihtsalt kaevikus ei istu.
Nende vastulaksu tulemus videos,kaks tundi peale ukrainlaste vastust olid venelaste positsioonid põlenud ja plahvatanud.Ukrainlasest sõjaväelane pakub seal,et said laskemoona laole pihta.
Ma ei ole küll proff aga,kui eesliinile juba nii suures koguses manti tuuakse,et ukrainlaste paukudest mitu punkti seal põleb,siis seegi näitab kui suurelt valmistuvad venelased ette.
https://inforesist.org/poluchili-po-zub ... a-obstrel/
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 18 Aug, 2016 12:41
Postitas Miki
ATO teatel oli viimase ööpäeva jooksul ka rekordarv paugutamist gängarite poolelt (96) kõikidest torudest kuni 152 mm.
Spekuleeriks, et kui jamaks tõesti peaks minema siis läheb mingist teisest suunast, mitte Krimmi poolelt..
Liiga palju nähakse vaeva Krimmi eksponeerimisega.
Venkule meeldin ikka salamisi ja seljatagant äiata..
Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 18 Aug, 2016 13:14
Postitas Rändur
Kahtlane, miks peaks vene kindralstaabil olema meelest läinud
maskirovkade korraldamine?
Kõik, mis on silmaga nähtav, peaks olema mõeldud vastaspoole tähelepanu eemalesuunamiseks tegelikust pealöögi suunast.
Iseasi kui hästi see kõik välja kukub ja kuivõrd VF vastaspoolel enda kogutud luureandmeid tõepähe julgetakse võtta...
Võib-olla eksin ja doktriin vahepeal muutunud.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.4
Postitatud: 18 Aug, 2016 13:32
Postitas Jaanus2
Krimm võib olla lihtsalt ettekääne, nagu Gruusias oli L-Osseetia. Ühtlasi aeti jooksvalt ka Abhaasias asjad "korda". Kui on tahtmist Ukrainas midagi suuremat korraldada, siis augustiga saab kõige parem aeg läbi koos euroametnike puhkustega. USA oma valimistega annab veel veidi aega.