Vene-Ukraina sõda I osa
Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
Just. Kõige parem on U. olla kaitses ja vastast maksimaalselt kulutada. Loodetavasti Kiievi alt saadetakse just Donbassi kaarele kaitseks reserve juurde.
Hersoni all tundub, et Vene ei julge enam pealetunge korraldada ja siis üliettevaatlikult võib alasi tagasi võtta. Tasakesi drooniga eelluure teha, et lõkse poleks ja siis aeglaselt edasi liikuda ning loodetavasti olla oma õhutõrje kaitseulatuses. Igatahes midagi sellist seal just korraldatakse. Hersoni all kui jõe kallas käes on lihtne kaitseliini hoida ja vajadusel vägesi mujale suunata.
Hersoni all tundub, et Vene ei julge enam pealetunge korraldada ja siis üliettevaatlikult võib alasi tagasi võtta. Tasakesi drooniga eelluure teha, et lõkse poleks ja siis aeglaselt edasi liikuda ning loodetavasti olla oma õhutõrje kaitseulatuses. Igatahes midagi sellist seal just korraldatakse. Hersoni all kui jõe kallas käes on lihtne kaitseliini hoida ja vajadusel vägesi mujale suunata.
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Kriku kirjutas:Ärgem unustagem, et Vene armee üritab koos 5. armeega koondada Ida-Ukrainasse 100 000+ meest ja pealetungile minna. UA lähemaks eesmärgiks on ikka veel kulutada ja viivitada. Suurte territooriumite vabastamine on kaugem eesmärk.
Ses mõttes on muidugi huvitav, mis Hersoni all toimub - et mis on seal UA eesmärk? Kergendada muude piirkondade olukorda?
Kui Herson õnnestuks tagasi vallutada, siis oleks see muidugi propa jaoks vägev.
Kui Dneprini puhtaks lüüa siis selle piirkonna kaitse saab hulka kergem olema mis tähendab ka rohkem vabasid üksuseid. Kui suudetakse veel sillapea ka luua üle jõe, siis see seab juba otseselt ohtu maismaaühenduse Krimmiga.
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Miks arvate et mariopoliga ei tegeletta juba? Hersoni kandis rünnak on ka marioopoli olugorrda leevendamiseks. Tapja troonid kohal, raskem raud ja pikamaa õt sammuti. 1 nädal näitab mis hakkab tegelikult toimuma. V saab liigutada oma tehnikat vv 2korda kauuem kui u omasid. Seega on nüüd u tunduvalt manövri võimelisem. Ja viimaseks kui vaadata US ja ka meie kindralite juttu siis on 1 kuu pärast u armee 500 000 meest ja kahe kuu möödudes juba 700 000 pluss ning need mehed saadetakse rinndele juba lääne tehnikaga kui sõda enne juba ei lõppe. Vähemaõt v tahaks juba seda leppet kus jääks krimm ja tonbass sammase seisu mis oli enne nüüd ei soovi u enam sedagi jätta, peale põhjas toimunut.
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Ma väga ei põeks tegelikult ja usaldan täielikult ukrainlasi - niisama lihtsalt kedagi/midagi maha ei jäeta ja kindlasti orgunnitakse olukorras paremaid lahendusi. Tõenäoliselt on ka piiramisrõngas linnadega mingi plaan ja avalikkuse ees jutt, et "kahjuks ei saa Mariupoli päästa ja kaitsjad on üksi" teenib hoopis kavalamat eesmärki. Väga mitteukrainalik tõdemus on see eelnev igatahes....
EDIT: kasutaja Ukraina just postitas samal teemal, toetan täielikult.
EDIT: kasutaja Ukraina just postitas samal teemal, toetan täielikult.
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Ukraina relvajõudude peastaap
Vaenlase kogu lahingukaod ajavahemikul 24.02 kuni 09.04 olid ligikaudu:
isikkoosseis - umbes 19100 inimest,
tankid - 705 ühikut,
soomustatud lahingumasinad / APV - 1895 ühikut,
suurtükiväesüsteemid - 335 ühikut,
MLRS / MLRS - 108 ühikut,
õhutõrjesüsteemid - 55 ühikut,
lennuk - 151 ühikut,
helikopterid - 136 ühikut,
mootorsõidukitest - 1363 ühikut,
laevad / paadid - 7 ühikut,
kütusepaagid - 76,
UAV operatiiv-taktikaline tase / UAV operatiivtaktikaline tase - 112.
Erivarustus - 25.
OTRK / TRK / mobiilsed SRBM-süsteemi kanderaketid - 4.
Andmeid uuendatakse. Arvutamise teeb keeruliseks vaenutegevuse suur intensiivsus. / Andmeid uuendatakse. Arvutamise teeb keeruliseks vaenutegevuse suur intensiivsus.
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Mariupoli piirkonnas-linnast edelas-rannikul mere ääres said venelased kätte mingi rannikuradarite positsioonid
Russians captured a coastal radar station south of Mariupol

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 2145012737
Russians captured a coastal radar station south of Mariupol
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 2145012737
Ainus, mida me ajaloost õpime, on see, et keegi ei õpi ajaloost midagi.
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
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Ukraina relvajõudude peastaap
Operatiivinfo seisuga 06.00 04.09.2022 Venemaa sissetungi kohta
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVJfWxRla8
Algas 45. päev Ukraina rahva kangelaslikku vastuseisu Venemaa sõjalisele invasioonile.
Venemaa Föderatsioon jätkab täiemahulist relvastatud agressiooni Ukraina vastu. Sissetungijad jätkavad valmistumist pealetungiks meie osariigi idaosas, et saavutada täielik kontroll Donetski ja Luganski oblasti territooriumide üle.
Volõni suunal vaenlase positsioonis ja tegevuses muutusi ei toimunud.
Polessky suunas vaenlane aktiivseid tegevusi ei võtnud. Ukraina territooriumilt välja viidud eraldi üksused asuvad jätkuvalt Valgevene Vabariigi territooriumil. Olemasolevatel andmetel liigutab vaenlane vägede ümberrühmitamiseks üksusi Ida sõjaväeringkonna 35. ühendrelvaarmeest ja Vene Föderatsiooni relvajõudude õhudessantväelaste 76. õhudessantväeosast Belgorodis ja Voroneži piirkonnad.
Severski suunal on vaenlane lõpetamas vägede ümberrühmitamist ja Kesksõjaväeringkonna üksuste lahinguvõime taastamist Brjanski ja Kurski oblastis ning üksikute üksuste liikumist ühendrelvastuse 41. armeest ja 90. tankidiviisist Donetski ja Luganski oblasti territooriumile.
Slobožanski suunas jätkab vaenlane Harkovi linna intensiivset tulistamist ja osalist blokaadi. Tugevdab elektroonilise luure toimimist. Belgorodi oblasti territooriumil rajasid uskmatud välilaagrid teistest tegevuspiirkondadest ümberasustatud üksuste jaoks.
Izyumi suunas alustas vaenlane pealetungi Bražkovka ja Suligovka asulate suunas, kuid see ei õnnestunud.
Donetski suunal jätkab vaenlane rünnakuoperatsioone. Peamised jõupingutused on suunatud Rubižne, Nižne, Popasnaja ja Novobahmutovka asulate kontrolli alla võtmisele ning täieliku kontrolli kehtestamisele Mariupoli linna üle.
Južnobužski suunas tugevdas vaenlane luuret. Viinud läbi Maryanskoje, Novovorontsovka, Novogrigorovka ja Ševtšenkovo asulate suurtükiväe mürske. Ta jätkab Krimmi poolsaare territooriumilt raketirünnakute andmist Odessa oblasti asulate pihta.
Donetski ja Luganski oblasti territooriumil lõid Ukraina kaitsjad möödunud ööpäeva jooksul tagasi seitse vaenlase rünnakut, hävitasid üheksa tanki, seitse soomusmasinat ja viis vaenlase sõidukit.
Ukraina relvajõudude õhujõudude rühmitus tabas eelmisel päeval nelja õhusihtmärki: kaks helikopterit, üks UAV ja üks tiibrakett. Teavet uuendatakse.
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Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
Ukrainlased lasid alla tõsisema parasiitide drooni Orion UAV vist esmakordselt.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 6050631684
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronshtadt_Orion
Leidsin ühe suhteliselt värske video, kus parasiitide Orion UAV hävitab ukrainlaste T-72 tanki.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 6864188421
Väike video ukrainlaste reidist parasiitide laagriplatsile kusagil Kreminna asula lähedal.
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 7083463680
Ukrainlased said parasiitidelt trofeesid või tegid nende tehnikat katki.
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4919895043
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4372019201
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4989406209
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 6050631684
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronshtadt_Orion
Leidsin ühe suhteliselt värske video, kus parasiitide Orion UAV hävitab ukrainlaste T-72 tanki.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 6864188421
Väike video ukrainlaste reidist parasiitide laagriplatsile kusagil Kreminna asula lähedal.
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 7083463680
Ukrainlased said parasiitidelt trofeesid või tegid nende tehnikat katki.
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4919895043
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4372019201
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 4989406209
Viimati muutis Huviline78, 09 Apr, 2022 9:55, muudetud 5 korda kokku.
Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
Avatar kirjutas:oleeg kirjutas:Millisele eriarvamusele Sa jääd - võiksid konkreetsemalt väljenduda.
Eriarvamus:
Kiievi ja Tšernigivi piirkonnas rünnanud üksuse on omadega läbi. Nii tehniliste vahendite poolest, kui ka elavjõu poolest. Tehnika tõin esile, kuna see on paremini kontrollitav kui välja käidud elavjõu kaotused (a´la Oryx). Ja mulle tundub, et Kiievi-Tšernigivi-Sumõ suunal on venkud kaotanud säärasel määral tehnikat, mis ei võimalda neidsamaseid üksusi mtte mingi valemiga kasutada rünnaku-komponentidena lõunasuunast. Jah, on ajategur. Aga millest me räägime - 2 nädalat, 4 nädalat, vms?
Näiteks võtame 90GTD? Kuidas hindad - millal on valmis pealetungioppe teostama lõunasuunal? Vabandust - ei jõua praega kokku lugeda kaotusi - no aga nii puusalt?
https://twitter.com/Danspiun/status/1503460341400940555
EEdit:
Tead- lugesin veelkord, ja tunnistan, et ei saanud vist ikka sittagi aru:oleeg kirjutas:Tegemist on seltskonnaga, kes sooritas inimsusvastaseid kuritegusid ja on nüüd Harkovi suunal. Sellest on palju kirjutatud.
Millele Sa vastu väitled? Et nad uusti lahingusse suunatakse või...?
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[b]Mida mina väitsin - need üksused, kes olid Põhja-Ukrainas - ja kogesid seal arvestatavaid kaotusi - ei ole võimelised teostama Lõuna- Ukrainas pealetungioperatsioone.[/b] Sina küsid, et mille vastu ma väidan? Ma väidan, et mehi, kes ei ole motiveeritud, ei saadeta rünakule. Mehed, kellel ei ole head/moodsat tehnikat, ei taha sõdida. Võivad, aga sõdivad sitasti. Et kui nad uuesti lahingusse suunatakse - mis see tulemus sinu arvates on? Ja sa arvad, et venkud seda ei ebla? Näe nii palju eblasid küll, et Kiievi alt mehed ära tõmmata. Mis see siis oli - tark otsus sitas olukorras. Mulle oleks meeldinud, kui ei oleks taandunud. Mida see ütleb venkude juhtimise kohta? Olid lollid ja jäärapäised või lollid aga õppimisvõimelised?

Rääkisime lihtsalt erinevatest asjadest ja tüüpiliselt teineteisest mööda.
Vaatame põgusalt...
90GTD - oleksin öösel vastanud ühte moodi, kuid nüüd... Lõuna suunale saatmine võtaks veel mõne nädala, idasuunal on nad juba kohal...

Vaata tänast UKR poole OP ülevaadet.
Lõuna suunale tõenäoliselt põhjast ei viidagi midagi - on ka lähemalt viia.
Mis puudutab motivatsiooni meestel - see on eraldi küsimus ja siin on tekitatud üks lisasurvevahend. Sõjakuriteod. Nendega hakkama saanud üksused püütakse maksimaalselt ära kasutada, et vältida võimalike tunnistajate ellujäämist...
Keeldujaid kindlasti on, kuid pisut tundes-teades vene võimude meetodeid inimeste motiveerimisel - ma ei imestaks millegi üle. Kui need hädised kujud on nädal aega sooja ja süüa saanud ning piisavalt ka saabast maitsta... no ja kui kõrilõikajatega segamini lüüakse võivad hea meelega sõdida.

Ka mulle oleks meeldinud kui Kiievist põhjas tegutsenud üksused oleks kotti jäänudki - Sinuga 100% nõus. Paraku võimaldas "sildade äralaskmine tagalas" segada UKR poole tegevust ja tulekotist üksi jäi väheks.
Kokkuvõte:rääkisime "teemast mööda"
Olen ka ise üllatudnud selle Sinu toodud näite üle - 90GTD... Ikka väga kiiresti on REORG toimunud, uskumatu.
Ma muidugi oletan, et näiteks kahe PTG taastamise asemel on jäänustest kokku pandud üks PTG... Eks hiljem selgub.
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Norra(saami) vabatahtlik Sandra meediku ja snaiprina UKR rahvusvahelises üksuses
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1512728126190727171
Norrakeelne artikkel (Google translate)temast-tegu saami rahvusest endise parlamendiliikme ja meditsiinitöötajaga
Over a month ago, Sandra Andersen Eira (35) traveled from Olderfjord in Porsanger, to Ukraine to become a foreign warrior. Sandra says that she will never forget what met her when she crossed the Ukrainian border.
- We crossed the border at 04 o'clock at night. It was still winter, snow and cold, says Sandra Andersen Eira to Ságat.
What met her were young girls who went with young children, all the way down to infancy, on the run from the war.
- They had packed the children in the best they had, and had the suitcase in tow. I have aunts at that age - it could have been us, says Sandra.
Sami Parliamentary representative and health worker
Sandra grew up in Olderfjord, which is part of the Sea Sámi KOS area (Kistrand, Olderfjord and Smørfjord) in Porsanger municipality.
The team that Sandra is part of, has both offensive and defensive assignments. In the beginning, Sandra worked in the sanitation, but gradually she has been given other tasks. Here she gets training in sniping (in the middle). Photo: Private
Here, the sea has been her closest neighbor - a sea that has always been close to her, and which has made her accustomed to cold and extreme conditions.
From 2017 to 2021, Sandra was a Sami parliamentary representative, elected for the Norwegian Sami National Association (NSR) from the Ávjovárri constituency. Here she was a member of the business and culture committee and the primary industry committee. Now she is the first deputy to the Sami Parliament for NSR in Ávjovárre constituency.
In recent years, Sandra has been engaged in shark fishing and also worked as a health worker.
- What made you travel to Ukraine?
- Because I felt morally obligated, because it is Europe. Once upon a time, it was we who needed help, and then it was they who lined up. I feel it is our time to give something back, Sandra answers.
She adds that she felt it was right for her to do this.
- There was no doubt, this is what I want and this is what feels right for me. I will never regret that I traveled here, Sandra emphasizes.
She adds that if you were ever in doubt before you reached the border, you got the motivation to continue there.
No expectations
Before she left, Sandra had no particular thoughts or expectations about what to expect. It is not possible to prepare for something like this.
- Most people I have met here say that this is a war that is different from others. Of course, it is an advantage to have war experience when you arrive, but no matter how much training you have, you are not prepared for this war.
Sandra is part of a smaller team, where she is the only woman. She says that the rest of the team are 75th rangers from the USA and an Englishman.
From 2017 to 2021, Sandra Andersen Eira was a Sami parliamentary representative, elected for the Norwegian Sami National Association (NSR) from the Ávjovárri constituency. Photo: Marie Louise Somby
- My whole team is exclusive and consists of special soldiers. These are people with experience of all the wars of their age.
She further says that it is about a month since the team was deployed to the northern front in Ukraine, and she was there as a combat medic (paramedic).
- That's what I started as. We were in the Kyiv area and there I was in combat medic. After that, I have taken on other positions and tasks.
In the front line
She says that they were bombed for several days in a row, and that she made good use of the position in combat medic. The conditions were not the best and there was no question of a field hospital.
- It was a drop-off point, and we found a building with a basement that we stayed in during the bombings.
After being in the Kyiv area, the team was deployed to the front line in the south.
- There is still a lot of bombing, and we have both offensive and defensive missions. We are under Ukrainian command, she says.
Sandra can not say much about what kind of tasks she has had after she went on to be a paramedic, but she says that she has received sniper training, and that her team leader is a skilled sniper.
Snipers often operate in pairs, with one observer (spotter) and the other firing on instructions from the spotter.
The team provides security
Sandra says she has never felt scared when she has been to Ukraine. On the contrary, she has not felt safer than in the front line with her team.
- Down here it is a different world and a different life. The unity you find in a war, you find it nowhere else.
She goes on to say that they live together at all times, and that they are willing to die for each other.
What she's afraid of is going home again.
- I do not know how to cope with going home. Be without my team, be back to normal. If there's one thing I'm afraid of, it's going back to it.
Before traveling to Ukraine, Sandra chose to inform only her two siblings and a couple of friends in the United States.
- I knew that my siblings would be able to behave calmly. Someone had to know, in case something happens. But I saw no reason to worry unnecessarily.
In readiness
She can tell about an everyday life where they are in constant readiness. Where the abnormal has become normal, and that one is constantly prepared for anything to happen.
- There are many deaths. You know it can happen to you and others at any time.
When Ságat asks Sandra if there has been any change in the situation, she answers that if there is a change, it is that there is even more bombing.
- The Russians aim to meet civilians. Hospitals, schools, hotels - where people gather. Definitely military bases, but it's something to be reckoned with. It is civilians who are targets, and what is going on here is not ok in any way. Everything from cluster bombs to rapes of civilians, and they shoot down civilians in the open street. It's not ok.
- We ask the rest of the world to shut down the airspace. If not, at least send us weapons so we can shoot them down. There is only so much you can do from ground level, says Sandra.
Lei potato soup
Everyone on the team must have lost a lot of weight since they arrived in Ukraine. Sandra explains that it is a bit like fishing life, little comfort.
- The army gives us food. I'm not going to say it's a luxury, I'm shit tired of potato soup to put it that way. If you are on a regular base, you have a regular military diet and three meals a day. If you are out in the field, you either have food or not. Where we have been the last week, there has been a lot of potato soup.
When Ságat talks to Sandra on Thursday night, she is at a base for the first time in a long time. That means a little more comfort, maybe a couple of quieter days and access to the internet.
But she currently has no plans to return home.
- We will stay here until there is no need for us anymore, concludes Sandra Andersen Eira.
https://www.sagat.no/nyheter/jeg-foler- ... 19.1.31984
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1512728126190727171
Norrakeelne artikkel (Google translate)temast-tegu saami rahvusest endise parlamendiliikme ja meditsiinitöötajaga
Over a month ago, Sandra Andersen Eira (35) traveled from Olderfjord in Porsanger, to Ukraine to become a foreign warrior. Sandra says that she will never forget what met her when she crossed the Ukrainian border.
- We crossed the border at 04 o'clock at night. It was still winter, snow and cold, says Sandra Andersen Eira to Ságat.
What met her were young girls who went with young children, all the way down to infancy, on the run from the war.
- They had packed the children in the best they had, and had the suitcase in tow. I have aunts at that age - it could have been us, says Sandra.
Sami Parliamentary representative and health worker
Sandra grew up in Olderfjord, which is part of the Sea Sámi KOS area (Kistrand, Olderfjord and Smørfjord) in Porsanger municipality.
The team that Sandra is part of, has both offensive and defensive assignments. In the beginning, Sandra worked in the sanitation, but gradually she has been given other tasks. Here she gets training in sniping (in the middle). Photo: Private
Here, the sea has been her closest neighbor - a sea that has always been close to her, and which has made her accustomed to cold and extreme conditions.
From 2017 to 2021, Sandra was a Sami parliamentary representative, elected for the Norwegian Sami National Association (NSR) from the Ávjovárri constituency. Here she was a member of the business and culture committee and the primary industry committee. Now she is the first deputy to the Sami Parliament for NSR in Ávjovárre constituency.
In recent years, Sandra has been engaged in shark fishing and also worked as a health worker.
- What made you travel to Ukraine?
- Because I felt morally obligated, because it is Europe. Once upon a time, it was we who needed help, and then it was they who lined up. I feel it is our time to give something back, Sandra answers.
She adds that she felt it was right for her to do this.
- There was no doubt, this is what I want and this is what feels right for me. I will never regret that I traveled here, Sandra emphasizes.
She adds that if you were ever in doubt before you reached the border, you got the motivation to continue there.
No expectations
Before she left, Sandra had no particular thoughts or expectations about what to expect. It is not possible to prepare for something like this.
- Most people I have met here say that this is a war that is different from others. Of course, it is an advantage to have war experience when you arrive, but no matter how much training you have, you are not prepared for this war.
Sandra is part of a smaller team, where she is the only woman. She says that the rest of the team are 75th rangers from the USA and an Englishman.
From 2017 to 2021, Sandra Andersen Eira was a Sami parliamentary representative, elected for the Norwegian Sami National Association (NSR) from the Ávjovárri constituency. Photo: Marie Louise Somby
- My whole team is exclusive and consists of special soldiers. These are people with experience of all the wars of their age.
She further says that it is about a month since the team was deployed to the northern front in Ukraine, and she was there as a combat medic (paramedic).
- That's what I started as. We were in the Kyiv area and there I was in combat medic. After that, I have taken on other positions and tasks.
In the front line
She says that they were bombed for several days in a row, and that she made good use of the position in combat medic. The conditions were not the best and there was no question of a field hospital.
- It was a drop-off point, and we found a building with a basement that we stayed in during the bombings.
After being in the Kyiv area, the team was deployed to the front line in the south.
- There is still a lot of bombing, and we have both offensive and defensive missions. We are under Ukrainian command, she says.
Sandra can not say much about what kind of tasks she has had after she went on to be a paramedic, but she says that she has received sniper training, and that her team leader is a skilled sniper.
Snipers often operate in pairs, with one observer (spotter) and the other firing on instructions from the spotter.
The team provides security
Sandra says she has never felt scared when she has been to Ukraine. On the contrary, she has not felt safer than in the front line with her team.
- Down here it is a different world and a different life. The unity you find in a war, you find it nowhere else.
She goes on to say that they live together at all times, and that they are willing to die for each other.
What she's afraid of is going home again.
- I do not know how to cope with going home. Be without my team, be back to normal. If there's one thing I'm afraid of, it's going back to it.
Before traveling to Ukraine, Sandra chose to inform only her two siblings and a couple of friends in the United States.
- I knew that my siblings would be able to behave calmly. Someone had to know, in case something happens. But I saw no reason to worry unnecessarily.
In readiness
She can tell about an everyday life where they are in constant readiness. Where the abnormal has become normal, and that one is constantly prepared for anything to happen.
- There are many deaths. You know it can happen to you and others at any time.
When Ságat asks Sandra if there has been any change in the situation, she answers that if there is a change, it is that there is even more bombing.
- The Russians aim to meet civilians. Hospitals, schools, hotels - where people gather. Definitely military bases, but it's something to be reckoned with. It is civilians who are targets, and what is going on here is not ok in any way. Everything from cluster bombs to rapes of civilians, and they shoot down civilians in the open street. It's not ok.
- We ask the rest of the world to shut down the airspace. If not, at least send us weapons so we can shoot them down. There is only so much you can do from ground level, says Sandra.
Lei potato soup
Everyone on the team must have lost a lot of weight since they arrived in Ukraine. Sandra explains that it is a bit like fishing life, little comfort.
- The army gives us food. I'm not going to say it's a luxury, I'm shit tired of potato soup to put it that way. If you are on a regular base, you have a regular military diet and three meals a day. If you are out in the field, you either have food or not. Where we have been the last week, there has been a lot of potato soup.
When Ságat talks to Sandra on Thursday night, she is at a base for the first time in a long time. That means a little more comfort, maybe a couple of quieter days and access to the internet.
But she currently has no plans to return home.
- We will stay here until there is no need for us anymore, concludes Sandra Andersen Eira.
https://www.sagat.no/nyheter/jeg-foler- ... 19.1.31984
Viimati muutis ruger, 09 Apr, 2022 12:49, muudetud 3 korda kokku.
Ainus, mida me ajaloost õpime, on see, et keegi ei õpi ajaloost midagi.
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
Venelased plaanivad siis false flag rünnakut Harkivi piirkonnas. Ukrainlastel seal piirkonnas polegi selle teemalist keemiatööstust.
The Russian Ministry of Defense has stated that Ukraine is planning a provocation using toxic substances at a chemical plant near Kharkiv. But Russians forgot to check whether this plant at least exists (it doesn't…)
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 2063459334
On Google Maps there really is a plant, but it's just old satellite images — this plant was completely demolished years ago
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 3833398272
The Russian Ministry of Defense has stated that Ukraine is planning a provocation using toxic substances at a chemical plant near Kharkiv. But Russians forgot to check whether this plant at least exists (it doesn't…)
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 2063459334
On Google Maps there really is a plant, but it's just old satellite images — this plant was completely demolished years ago
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 3833398272
Ainus, mida me ajaloost õpime, on see, et keegi ei õpi ajaloost midagi.
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
Live for nothing or die for something.
Kui esimene kuul kõrvust mõõda lendab, tuleb vastu lasta.
EA, EU, EH
Re: Lennuõnnetused
henri237 kirjutas:Teemaväline eemaldatud - Kriku.
Eastory tegi ka ukraina sõja kohta päris hea video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x54juxDGBzU
Jään eriarvamusele. See video pole "päris hea", vastupidi - on rumal ja lapsik. Loodetavasti ainult seda, mitte midagi hullemat (infooperatsioon?).
Tegelikult läheb lugu kraavi juba alguses, kui väidetakse, et (riigi poliitilise) kursi valiku (alignments) määravad majanduslikud faktorid ja 1990. aastate alguses orienteerus Ida-Euroopa Läände sellepärast, et seal oli suurem turg, suurem arenguabi võime ja turvalisem sotsiaalne mudel. Väärtusi, nagu vabadus/iseseisvus - antud kontekstis soovimatust elada vene saapa all - ignoreerib autor täielikult.
Neid ekslikke väiteid tuleb veel palju (näiteks, et sõjavägedel on tugev mõju välispoliitikale nii USAs kui Venemaal või et Vene majanduskasv aeglustus sanktsioonide, mitte (peamiselt) oma bensiinijaama-põhise lolli majandusmudeli tõttu või arvamus, justkui oleks soov presidendikohta säilitada Putini praeguse sõjakäigu peamine motivaator).
Video lõpuks jõuab autor järeldusele, et seda sõda poleks olnud, kui inimesed (laiemalt, mitte ainult Vene riigi alamad) oleksid rohkem sõja vastu olnud. Ja seepärast tunneb autor ka end selle sõja eest vastutavana.

Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
ruger kirjutas:Venelased plaanivad siis false flag rünnakut Harkivi piirkonnas. Ukrainlastel seal piirkonnas polegi selle teemalist keemiatööstust.
The Russian Ministry of Defense has stated that Ukraine is planning a provocation using toxic substances at a chemical plant near Kharkiv. But Russians forgot to check whether this plant at least exists (it doesn't…)
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 2063459334
On Google Maps there really is a plant, but it's just old satellite images — this plant was completely demolished years ago
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/15 ... 3833398272
Siis on see ju suurepärane koht, vene inimene ei süüvi asjadesse aga inimeste mobiliseerimiseks hea küll.
Satipildil tehas olemas ja nüüd enam pole.
Re: Vene-Ukraina sõda
Ukraina piirivalvurid Luganski oblastis lõid tagasi kamikaze droonirünnaku
Luganski oblastis ründas vaenlane kamikaze droonidega Ukraina piirivalve positsioone.
Ukraina riigipiirivalveteenistuse teatel hävitasid kaks piirivalvurit käsirelvade tules ühe vaenlase droonidest.
Teadaolevalt on Vene armeel omatoodangu "Lancet" kamikaze-droone. Ja veebruari alguses kasutasid venelased Süürias oma uuendatud versiooni, mis suudab vastu pidada masside võitlusjõule. RIA Novosti teatel on uus droon pikema kestuse ja lennuulatusega.
Kamikaze droonid võivad otsingurežiimis lennata pikka aega. Kui sihtmärke tuvastatakse, tabab lahingudroon seda nagu õhk-maa juhitav rakett, mis hävitab täielikult ennast.
https://www.nta.ua/ukrayinski-prykordon ... kamikadze/
NB! Artikli juures on fotod.
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