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lennumudelist kirjutas: ↑10 Juul, 2025 21:16 Tahtsin just sama artiklit postitama tulla, aga näen et juba olemas.

See on mõtlemapanev. Mida rohkem on vastasel oidu koguda oma varud üheks meeletuks parveks - seda parem talle, ega putukad ja linnud ilma asjata ei parvle, korraga tegutsemine tõstab nende turvalisust, kaitseb kiskjate eest. Seega tuleb teha maksimaalselt efektiivne kiskja, mille arvukus droonide rände kontrollimiseks piisav oleks.

Kaardistasin mõttes variandid.

Õhusõidukid:

- hävituslennuk: väga kallis, piloote napib, seab piloodi ohtu -> arvukus ebapiisav
- propellerlennuk: kallis, piloote napib, seab piloodi ohtu -> arvukus ebapiisav
- helikopter: kallis, piloote napib, lisaks jääb taga ajamisel varsti Shahedist maha -> arvukus ja võimekus ebapiisav

Mehitamata lennuvahendid:

- rakett

Stardib iga ilmaga. Kandevõime on väike. Tegevusraadius maksab, kuid võib olla suur. Vajab kvaliteetset ja automaatset juhtimist. Reeglina ei ole korduvkasutatav, seega tootmine peab olema massiline.

- lennuk

Halva ilmaga stardib katapuldist. Hea kandevõime ja lennuaeg, tegevusraadius variantidest suurim. Juhtimise suhtes leplik, kannatab käsitsi juhtimist. Potentsiaal olla korduvkasutatav, võimalik maandada langevarju abil. Enamasti suudab parve tagaajamisel osaleda.

- nelikopter

Halva ilmaga stardib katapuldist. Madalam kandevõime ja lennuaeg kui lennukil. Potentsiaal olla korduvkasutatav, võimalik maandada varjuga. Pigem kulutab palju energiat ning jääb tagaajamisel Shahedist maha.

Minu jaoks jäi sõela peale 2 varianti:

- Mitmelasulise relvaga kiire püüdurlennuk, mis parve liikmed ükshaaval ära küttida püüab. Kui tagaajamine väljub õhutõrje üksuse tööpiirkonnast, antakse juhtimine üle järgmisele üksusele paar kilomeetrit tagapool (pole mõtet arendada super raadiot, kui järgmisi mehi on pultidega 50 km sügavuselt).

- Suure kandevõimega püüdurlennuk, mis tõuseb enne parve saabumist kõrgele ja viskab Shahedide parve pihta oma parve... tarku aga odavaid liugpomme. Need võivad isegi kineetilised olla, aga lõhkeaine oleks lisaboonus. Kilomeeter kõrgemalt pähe pikeeriv tiibadega limonaadi pudel on tõenäoliselt piisav, et Shahed ära lõhkuda (ühe toreda lisatriki jätan netis kirjeldamata). Pole mõtet arendada super kiirust, pommi pikeerimise kiirus ületab igasuguse Shahedi kiiruse garanteeritult.

Kriku kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 7:56

Rabapistrik kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 7:01Leida vahend, millega tabada piisavalt odavalt ~2-5 km kõrgusele pole triviaalne. Shahed/Geran on lendav mopeed, mille omahind on tõenäoliselt piisavalt palju madalam igasugustest täna saadaolevatest õhutõrjerakettidest.

Sealsamas artiklis öeldakse, et 185 000.

SBU and DBR discovered a large-scale storage of weapons in Kharkiv: Russian intelligence agencies tried to hide this arsenal for their diversion groups
Counterintelligence of the Security Service of Ukraine together with the State Bureau of Investigation has uncovered a secret repository of weapons and ammunition in Kharkiv.
According to the investigation, this stash was equipped by Russian intelligence agencies and prepared for racist diversion groups in the Kharkiv region.
The illegal stash was located in one of the garage boxes in the regional center.
During searches in this room, the SBU and DBR personnel discovered and seized a considerable number of ammunition, including firearms ammunition, hand grenades, anti-tank mines, as well as several RPGs and grenades.
Under the due process leadership of the Kharkiv Regional Prosecutor's Office, investigations on the establishment of the origin of weapons and ammunition are ongoing. All the circumstances of this crime and other persons who may be involved in it are being investigated.

diesel kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 8:47 net on paksult täis videoid, kus mopeedid põristavad üsna madalalt, heal juhul sadakond meetrit.
ja mitte sihtmärgi juures vaid kaovad kaugusse samal kursil ja kõrgusel.
sellise vastu oleks küll kuulipritsist abi. soovitavalt automaatsihtimisega.

AMvA kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 9:01Mulle endale tundub, et parim variant oleks mingisugune Phalanx-light tüüpi relvasüsteem, aga mingil arusaamtul põhjusel ei ole sellist arendatud. Gatling tüüpi relv suudab tekitada ikka korraliku tinapilve, millest ei tohiks ükski droon pääseda

diesel kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 18:29 viimasel ajal saadab tibIa juba ligi tuhatkond mopeedi päevas, nende tõrjumisest ei tasu unistadagi.
ja igasugu kallid sisteemid ka võib heaga unustada, muidu sõdime ennast ise võlavanglasse.

an2 kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 18:25 Meil on ju polügoonil prooviks kasutatud CV90-d droonitapjana. Muud tegelased lasevad torud punaseks aga CV paneb kaks pauku ja droon hävinenud. Moon on sama, mis Gepardil.

Even a slight misalignment of the turret mechanisms by a single millimeter can result in an aiming error of several tens of meters. Such an error makes high-precision firing impossible, regardless of how well the rest of the system works.

“We had to create a system that performs a multitude of movements with zero mechanical backlash,” explained one of the engineers. “And not just move, but also shoot. This means that it also has to cope with recoil.”

The Sky Sentinel’s mechanics were developed and fully tested in Ukraine, at test sites and in real combat conditions. One prototype has already seen combat on the front lines and successfully shot down four Shahed drones.

Sky Sentinel uses foreign-made optical devices and rangefinders — critically important systems for which Ukraine has no domestic equivalents. Software written entirely by Ukrainian engineers controls the entire system.

The development team is currently focused on increasing production to dozens of units per month. This is also a difficult task. With single prototypes, it is easier to identify and correct mechanical play. In mass production, this is more difficult. “But it is absolutely possible,” the lead developer says.

an2 kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 18:25 Meil on ju polügoonil prooviks kasutatud CV90-d droonitapjana. Muud tegelased lasevad torud punaseks aga CV paneb kaks pauku ja droon hävinenud. Moon on sama, mis Gepardil.

diesel kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 18:29 viimasel ajal saadab tibIa juba ligi tuhatkond mopeedi päevas, nende tõrjumisest ei tasu unistadagi.
ja igasugu kallid sisteemid ka võib heaga unustada, muidu sõdime ennast ise võlavanglasse.

AMvA kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 9:01
Mulle endale tundub, et parim variant oleks mingisugune Phalanx-light tüüpi relvasüsteem, aga mingil arusaamtul põhjusel ei ole sellist arendatud. Gatling tüüpi relv suudab tekitada ikka korraliku tinapilve, millest ei tohiks ükski droon pääseda

AMvA kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 9:01

Mulle endale tundub, et parim variant oleks mingisugune Phalanx-light tüüpi relvasüsteem, aga mingil arusaamtul põhjusel ei ole sellist arendatud. Gatling tüüpi relv suudab tekitada ikka korraliku tinapilve, millest ei tohiks ükski droon pääseda

Saturn kirjutas: ↑11 Juul, 2025 23:16https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-ne ... f-the-sky/

There are, the Defense Ministry told the Kyiv Independent, 10 models of interceptor drone undergoing testing for anti-Shahed performance at the moment. Danyliv estimates that four actually work against Shaheds and Gerans.

Chmut declined to identify the specific model that Come Back Alive funds, but tallied “close to 25 Shaheds and between 30 and 40 Gerbers” that its interceptors had shot down in the three months since they began prioritizing anti-Shahed defense.

The development is major enough to make the Ukrainian development of these drone-hunting drones a central point of drone co-production with, for example, the United Kingdom, alongside Ukraine’s much-touted flotilla of long-range drones.

The core advantage of an interceptor drone like this is precision on a budget. The Prytula Foundation tallied the success of its own funding of its earlier interceptor drones in a June 13 Facebook post that included shooting down one Gerbera drone. The cost of these interceptors, the fund reported, is just under $2,000, as compared to surface-to-air missiles, which cost from $40,000-$100,000. The average for interceptors that take out Shaheds is closer to $5,000, Danyliv and Chmut both said.

Domestic air defense missile production is, to all appearances, non-existent, even for older generations of residual Soviet surface-to-air missiles like the S-300s. When reached, a representative for the Strategic Industries Ministry declined to comment on that production, citing “a matter of security.” Ukraine is courting more advanced missile systems from the U.S., which has proved an inconsistent and unreliable provider. But its pre-war supplies of Soviet-era anti-air ammunition are, as Chmut put it, “mostly exhausted or are being searched out around the world in small quantities.”

“You can make a drone, for example, at a firm like us, fast, cheap, and en masse,” said the Wild Hornets representative. “While missiles for an S-300 are unique technologies, that maybe, seems to me, a few companies in the world can make, and more than half of those are in Russia.”

When it comes to shooting down Russian cruise and ballistic missiles, as well as the glide bombs Russia uses closer to the front, “for the time being interceptor drones cannot fully replace traditional air defense systems,” the Sternenko Community Fund representative wrote to the Kyiv Independent.

In addition to the speed and maneuverability of the new Shaheds, a core question is quantity. Russia has ramped up its production to 70 Gerans a day, and is sending ever-larger swarms by night. Whether these new Ukrainian interceptors can clear the skies of swarms of sometimes 500 Shaheds at a time remains an open question.

The Ukrainians involved in making these drones declined to specify production rates. They anticipated that production expansion would take through the fall.