Donald Trump tagasi?

[ruger]

Donaldi päevad tunduvad läbi saama. Vedada koju ja jätta alles mälestuseks salastatud dokumente pole just kõige targem idee. Nende asukohti ja sisu olid informaatorid ka näinud, kes FBI-d informeerisid. Küsimus, kes neid veel nägid. Ega USA presidendini jõudis ikkagi vägagi tundlik info. Ja kui see orkideni otsaga läks siis võib siin ka riigireetmise süüdistuse saada.

The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.

The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-info ... re-1732283

[Roamless]

Eks Donald, olles president, vedas kodus lugemiseks ja sõpradele näitamiseks koju failid pealkirjadega, Roswell incident (classified) ja Who killed Kennedy (by Edgar Hoover FBI)

[teeline35]

Eks Donald, olles president, vedas kodus lugemiseks ja sõpradele näitamiseks koju failid pealkirjadega, Roswell incident (classified) ja Who killed Kennedy (by Edgar Hoover FBI)

Oleks see nii. Parem kui tal enam valgesse majja asja poleks. Mees osutas USA elu ja olu probleemsetele kohtadele üsna täpselt, aga muu show. Lühidalt polnud õige mees neid lahendama!

[Harald Hirmus]

Polnud õige mees?.. ja praegune on? Suht meelvaldne väide minu meelest. Ülejäänu ei kanna aga mingit kriitikat. Selline mees ja jätab koju "tundlikku infot"?... Kogu teema haiseb sama palju kui meie "Listeeria skandaal" ja ilmselt haihtub kohe, kui pole enam vajalik.

[Kriku]

Kohus otsustab.

[Kilo Tango]

Polnud õige mees?.. ja praegune on? Suht meelvaldne väide minu meelest. Ülejäänu ei kanna aga mingit kriitikat. Selline mees ja jätab koju "tundlikku infot"?... Kogu teema haiseb sama palju kui meie "Listeeria skandaal" ja ilmselt haihtub kohe, kui pole enam vajalik.

See kas Biden on hea või halb president ei ütle D. Trumpi kohta mitte midagi. Trump on selgelt autoritaarsete kalduvustega Putini imetleja, kes ei tegutse mitte USA, vaid iseenda huvides. Selles ei ole mingit kahtlust. Ja kõik kes teda Eestis täna veel kiidavad on kas samasuguseid või täielikud lollpead. Või mõlemat.

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... 4244281344

[Kriku]

Why Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Document Dump May Be a Crime
Analysis by Evan Peng and Gregory Korte | Bloomberg
August 10, 2022 at 8:52 p.m. EDT

The FBI’s search of former President Donald Trump’s Florida home as part of an investigation into whether he improperly took documents from the White House was celebrated by some as proof that no one is above the law and denounced by others as a political attack. Little is known about the aims of Department of Justice investigators and what evidence they may have gathered. There are laws governing how presidents are supposed to handle documents that, at least theoretically, can trigger prosecutions for failure to comply, chief among them the Presidential Records Act. But as with so much related to Trump’s time in office, the search appears to have landed investigators in uncharted territory.

1. What is the Presidential Records Act?

It’s a law enacted by Congress in 1978 as one of several post-Watergate measures aimed at combating potential corruption in the White House. President Richard Nixon had challenged the legality of a predecessor to the PRA, which sought to prevent him from destroying any of 42 million page of documents and 880 tape recordings from his time in office, but the US Supreme Court said Congress had the authority to regulate presidential documents both for posterity and to ensure their availability for criminal prosecutions.

2. What does the PRA say?

It established that presidential records belong to the US and that the president must transfer control of them to the National Archives and Records Administration after leaving office. Furthermore, while in office, the president may only dispose of records after an archivist determines they “no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value.”

3. What happens if the PRA is violated?

Though the PRA by itself doesn’t specify any penalties, violations could trigger several federal statutes that make it a felony to mishandle government property. These potentially include laws barring injury to US property, improper disposal of records belonging to the US, unauthorized removal or retention of classified materials and removal or destruction of any record deposited with a US office or official. Obstruction of justice statutes could also apply if the documents removed or destroyed were relevant to a criminal, civil or Congressional investigation. Convictions for injuring US property or improperly disposing of records can carry sentences of up to 10 years in prison.

4. Could a conviction keep Trump from running again?

The statute regarding removal or destruction of deposited records has attracted particular attention because it also says a convicted offender would “be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.” But a number of legal scholars have said they doubt this statute could actually prevent Trump from running in 2024. They point to the provisions of the Constitution that lay out qualifications for the presidency as likely to be seen as the governing law, since Congress can’t overrule the Constitution.

5. What does the Trump investigation involve?

The search, which Trump said included his safe, was related to a request from the National Archives and Records Administration to the Justice Department to look into the transfer of presidential documents to Mar-a-Lago, including classified materials. The Archives in January retrieved 15 boxes of records from Mar-a-Lago, the former president’s Palm Beach home. Trump turned those documents over only after facing possible legal action over their removal. More broadly, some former aides have said he had a cavalier attitude about handling classified material and preserving documents, saying that he was known to rip them up, pocket them or even flush them down the toilet. On the morning of the FBI search, New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman released photos allegedly showing White House toilets clogged by torn-up presidential records.

6. Is any of that a basis for prosecution?

Not necessarily. Even if all of those accounts are true, prosecutors would need to show Trump knew he was violating the law. To do so, they could rely on witnesses who served under Trump. The Washington Post reported in February that Trump had been warned about aspects of the PRA by former White House Counsel Don McGahn as well as his first two chiefs of staff, Reince Priebus and John F. Kelly.

7. Have there been cases like that brought before?

Not against a former president, but Sandy Berger, national security adviser under President Bill Clinton, pleaded guilty in 2005 to removing classified records from the National Archives. Berger admitted that in 2003 he concealed and removed five copies of classified documents that he was reviewing in connection with a request for records by the 9/11 Commission. He took the documents to his office and destroyed three of them. The former White House aide was ultimately sentenced to two year’s probation and ordered to pay a $100,000 fine. Berger’s guilty plea was announced by then-Assistant Attorney General Christopher Wray, the current Federal Bureau of Investigation director, who would have played a key role in authorizing the Mar-a-Lago search. There have also been a number of prosecutions of Archives employees who stole documents to sell on eBay.

8. Could Trump have declassified the removed documents?

Presidents do have ultimate decision-making power over the classification of documents, and Trump could theoretically have declassified any records he removed from the White House. Indeed, former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump. But even if Trump was found to have declassified documents, he could still potentially be prosecuted for removing or destroying them. And Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, points out that declassification of documents for an improper purpose could be a crime in itself. “If he declassified documents in order to remove them and destroy them, he’s destroying evidence, and that’s obstruction of justice or obstruction of Congress,” Painter said.

More stories like this are available on bloomberg.com

©2022 Bloomberg L.P.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html

[ruger]

Trump vedas siis koju USA tuumarelva puudutavad dokumendid
Trump took nuclear weapons documents to Mar-a-Lago.
This was not a drill. He did not take a few innocent items for memorabilia. He took the Crown Jewels of classified government documents to his home in Florida.
https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status ... 6197437441

Võimalik seos Saudi Araabiale tuumatehnoloogia kantimises 2019 aasta kahtluste osas
A timeline, drawing from the House Oversight Report for @RepCummings
, linking Flynn, Kushner, Westinghouse, and Brookfield:
"Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns w/ Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia"
https://twitter.com/jedshug/status/1097947056021348352

Ca 2 miljardit DT kampaaniaraha tuli saudidelt või Araabia ÜhendEmiraatidelt.
"Barrack...opened communications w/ UAE/Saudi, recommended Manafort as campaign manager—and then tried to arrange a
secret meeting between Manafort and MBS.
24% of the $7B raised by Barrack since Trump won the nomination “has come from UAE or Saudi.”
That's almost $2B.
WOW.
https://twitter.com/jedshug/status/1097952730705022979
Back in April, The New York Times reported that Jared Kushner’s four years of Saudi ass-kissing and murder-excusing had paid off in the form of a $2 billion investment from the kingdom‘s sovereign wealth fund to his newly formed private equity firm.
So, it wasn’t that difficult for people to put two and two together and infer that Kushner’s firm seemingly got $2 billion to invest—and at least $25 million to pocket regardless of performance!—as a thank-you for being so good to a human rights-abusing autocrat. And a new story from the Times suggests, somehow, even further shadiness than that.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05 ... udi-arabia

[ruger]

Infot, mis siis DT suvilast kätte saadi
WSJ: 20 boxes removed in FBI search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, including
11 sets of classified documents, some the most
top secret
binders of photos
handwritten note & clemency grant for Roger Stone
information about the “President of France”
https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status ... 0734510080

SEPKA-Süüdistus spionaažis esitatakse talle selle eest
Donald Trump is under investigation for violating the espionage act according to Politico.
https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/15 ... 2201704453

ACCORDING TO FBI SEARCH WARRANT DONALD TRUMP IS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR VIOLATION OF THE ESPIONAGE ACT AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE RELATING TO WRONGFULLY RETAINING DOCUMENTS
https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/sta ... 0672808960
Trump under investigation for:
Concealment, removal or mutilation of documents.
Espionage Act. That's for willful/grossly negligent removal of information relating to US defense.
Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in a Federal investigation.
https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/sta ... 9359629313

Breitbart reveals that the Former President is under investigation for violating the Espionage Act. 18 USC 793.
10 year penalties for each document.
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1 ... 1902739460

[Harald Hirmus]

Polnud õige mees?.. ja praegune on? Suht meelvaldne väide minu meelest. Ülejäänu ei kanna aga mingit kriitikat. Selline mees ja jätab koju "tundlikku infot"?... Kogu teema haiseb sama palju kui meie "Listeeria skandaal" ja ilmselt haihtub kohe, kui pole enam vajalik.

See kas Biden on hea või halb president ei ütle D. Trumpi kohta mitte midagi. Trump on selgelt autoritaarsete kalduvustega Putini imetleja, kes ei tegutse mitte USA, vaid iseenda huvides. Selles ei ole mingit kahtlust. Ja kõik kes teda Eestis täna veel kiidavad on kas samasuguseid või täielikud lollpead. Või mõlemat.

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... 4244281344

Sinu meelsus on arusaadav ja isegi tunnen sulle veidi kaasa... Aga kedagi meelsuse ja meeldimise pärast lollpeaks sõimata näitab inimese kohta nii mõndagi. Haridusel ja haritusel on vahe sees. Sinu arusaama järgi on savi, kui seniilne USA-s eesotsas on, peaasi et mitte Trump. Eks näis, mis tulevik toob ja kes järgmiseks presidendiks saab. Mul on veidi infot kohalike vabariiklaste suust ja see, mis meie meedia ja mõned sealsed tugevalt kallutatud meediaväljaanded avaldavad jääb pehmelt öeldes puudulikuks või lihtsalt ei vasta tõele.

[Hukatus]

Iga miks peab seniili asemel idioot olema? Miks mitte mõni kolmas?

[Kilo Tango]

https://maailm.postimees.ee/7583562/mee ... 1602489426

Ehk saab lõpuks selle nartsissistliku idioodi kinnisesse asutusse, kus on ka tema koht

[Gideonic]

https://twitter.com/DMRDynamics/status/ ... 0067268608

Schrödinger's Treason:

When you didn't take, accidentally took, innocently used, declassified and then took, took and then declassified, the documents that you never took and were illicitly planted in your house by the FBI - all simultaneously.

[Gideonic]

Täna siis keritati veidi saladusteloori, mis sorti dokumente Trump 18 kuud oma Florida residentsi keldris hoidis:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates

A preliminary triage of the documents with classification markings revealed the following approximate numbers: 184 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 92 documents marked as SECRET, and 25 documents marked as TOP SECRET. Further, the FBI agents observed markings reflecting the following compartments/dissemination controls: HCS, FISA, ORCON, NOFORN, and SI.

Siin täpsustab Mark Herling, endine USA Euroopa vägede juht (kes loomulikult töö käigus regulaarselt selliste dokumentidega kokku on puutundud), natukene mis need lühendid seal lõpus tähendavad:

-ORCON =“originator control”
-NOFORN = “no foreign nationals” (should see these documents)
-HCS = HUMINT (human intelligence) Control System.
-SI = COMINT (communication intelligence, or intercepts) Special Intelligence

Normaalsetes oludes ei tohiks mitmed sellistest dokumentidsest kinnistest range järelvalve all olevatest ruumidest üldse lahkudagi.

Tema arust on see intsident tõsiduse skaalal ühest kümneni ... no nii vähemalt 23.

Sarnast juttu räägivad ka teisedinimesed, kes on pidanud selliste materjalidega töötama. On olnud juhuseid kus on tulnud kogu kontor paanikas pahupidi keerata kuna ei suudetud leida ühte madalama salastatusega dokumenti DIA ülevaatuse eel.

Kahtlemata haaravad nüüd klaviatuuri järele suured "iseseisvad mõtlejad", kes kuulsid USAs oma sõbralt, rekkajuhilt palju täpsemat infot mida edastas sõbra-sõber vabariiklasest kinnisvaraagent, kes vaatas Tucker Carlsoni saadet, et kõik see on täielik jama.

Neile tuletaks esmalt meelde oma eelmist postitust:

https://twitter.com/DMRDynamics/status/ ... 0067268608

Schrödinger's Treason:

When you didn't take, accidentally took, innocently used, declassified and then took, took and then declassified, the documents that you never took and were illicitly planted in your house by the FBI - all simultaneously.

Kui keegi tõesti ei märka vabariiklaste meedia igapäevast narratiivi muutust, vastukäivate vabanduste skisofreeniat, whataboutism'i, sitaloopimist ega muid propavõtteid (mis võistlevad üsna samal pulgal Kremli propatorudega) Siis
siin artiklis on üsnagi mõistlik kokkuvõte kõigi ülaltoodud väidete augulisusest ka individuaalselt

(muuseas, ka see et "demokraadid on pahad ja valetavad ja üldse teevad ka sama" ei puutu siin vähimaltki asjasse).

Ülaltoodust tsitaadist on puudu veel väide: "pole vahet, sest keegi paha neid ju nagunii ei näinud". Reaalsuses käisid vene agendid seal kohal juba üle aasta tagasi.

Ükskõik milline teine USA riigitöötaja oleks ammu sellise tegevuse peale arreteeritud aga loomulikult pääseb see töll karistuseta. Kui ta ka lähebki vangi võib selle kinnipidamisasutuse juba heaga New-Landsberg'iks ümber nimetada.

[ruger]

Donaldi kapsaaeda veel midagi. Kui seos Trumpi poolt hoitud dokumentidega suudetakse tõestada siis on USA luureagentuurid ikka väga tigedad.
“Last year, a top-secret memo sent to every C.I.A. station around the world, warned about troubling numbers of informants being captured or killed”

Trump Inquiry Fueled in Part by Concern Over Human Intelligence Sources in Documents Trump Improperly Took
https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status ... 3319550976

EDIT 28.08.2022
POTENTIALLY MASSIVE in light of what we know now:
In Oct 2021, CIA Counterintelligence sent a top secret cable warning an unusually number of confidential informants were being killed, captured, or compromised.
In Jan 2021, Trump stole documents on these kind of informants.
https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status ... 6373877760
Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.

The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants. In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.

Officials said that level of detail is a sign of the significance of the cable. Announcing the specific number of killings is rare as that figure is typically held under wraps from the public and even from some CIA employees, the Times noted.

The cable, which also cited the issue of putting “mission over security,” comes amid recent efforts by countries like Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan to find CIA informants and turn them into double agents, the Times reported.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... world-nyt/

Uuemat infot
Known Timeline:

1. 7/31/2019: Trump spoke with Putin (NYT)

2. 8/3/2019: Trump issued a request for a list of top US spies (The Daily Beast)

3. 10/5/2021: "CIA Admits to Losing Dozens of Informants". (NYT)

4. 8/26/2022: Documents at MAL Could Compromise Human Intel (NYT)
https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/sta ... 7299383304