Sõda Gruusias (08.08.08)

[mil34]

Georgia kaotused:
- 133 sõjaväelast hukkunut
- 50 kadunut
http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/534655-echo.html

[araterI]

Kas NATO tegelikult ka aitaks Balti riike kui Venemaa meid ründaks / okupeeriks?

Seemneks üks foorumiarutelu:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... p?t=139734

Seotud küll päevakajalise sündmusega kuid võib-olla mõistlik teha eraldi teema kuna tegemist pole päris jah/ei küsimusega.

[denis23]

Georgia kaotused:
- 133 sõjaväelast hukkunut
- 50 kadunut
http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/534655-echo.html

Tere.

need numbrid on raske uskuda.
Nägin pilte ühest võpsikust, kus leiti mitukümmend hukkunud sõdurikeha.
Vist kassettpommid.
Gori hospitalis on leitud haavatute nimekiri - 1500 nime. See on ainult ühe hospitali nimekiri.
Selle taustal 133 hukkunud sõjaväelast mina ei usu.
Täpselt nii, nagu ei usu mina ka venelaste andmed 3-4 000.

[denis23]

VF õhuväe kaotused:

Su-24MR Ahtubinsk, 1 piloot hukkus, 1 vangis
Tu-22M3 Shaikovsk, 2 piloodi hukkusid, 1 suri vangis, 1 elus
2X Su 25 Budjonnovsk, 1 piloot hukkus, 1 päästetud.

Kokku 5 hukkunud, 2 vangis, 1 päästetud.

Su-24MR piloot ütles intervjuus, mida ta andis haiglavoodist Ukraina telekanalile, et teda tulistas alla AA tüüpi rakett, mis oli radarisihtimisega (mitte soojuskanali kaudu)

[kaur3]

Вы теперь гордитесь страной?

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1011982

Пятидневная война

http://www.kommersant.ru/vlast.aspx

Ямадаева нашли в Грузии

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1011913

Надо сжечь, чтобы вернуться не моглi

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1011908

Вооруженное разграбление

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1012529

[xawa]

Leidub kellelgi m6ni korralik pildilink Gruusias toimunud syndmuste kohta?

[kaur3]

Главное — маневры
В выходные российские войска усиленно маневрировали в нескольких десятках километров от Тбилиси. Движение началось в субботу, спустя несколько часов после того, как президент РФ Дмитрий Медведев подписал соглашение о прекращении огня, обязывающее Россию вывести свои войска с грузинской территории. Однако на стокилометровой полоске земли между Тбилиси и Гори все выходные наблюдалась совсем иная картина. В сторону грузинской столицы по шоссе шли колонны тяжелой техники. С рычанием проносились "Уралы" с пехотой и установками "Град", ползли САУ, скрежетали гусеницами по асфальту танки и БМП.

Почему армия идет вперед после подписания мирного соглашения, бойцы не знают. Как, впрочем, и о самом соглашении. Услышав об этом от меня, неожиданно расстраиваются.

— Сдал нас Медведев. Там, в Осетии, пацанов наших тыщи две положили, а он мирится. Политическая это война,— решают солдаты и сразу теряют интерес к политике.— А че, там наши много золота на Олимпиаде взяли?

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsI ... &NodesID=5

[mil34]

Vene tõi reedel sisse SS-21
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/world ... ref=slogin
http://lenta.ru/news/2008/08/18/move/

[kert122]

Kas NATO tegelikult ka aitaks Balti riike kui Venemaa meid ründaks / okupeeriks?

Seemneks üks foorumiarutelu:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... p?t=139734

Seotud küll päevakajalise sündmusega kuid võib-olla mõistlik teha eraldi teema kuna tegemist pole päris jah/ei küsimusega.

väga asjalik foorum, juhin tähelepanu sommide jutule, ja huvitav seik on see et riigid olla naernud selle üle et miks sommidel nii palju suurtykke on, et seda pole enam vaja, nüüd ei irvita enam keegi ja tõepoolest käies eile sommide mil.fi lehel, neil on kyll "ihan perkeelesti" tykke, ei torganud minul silma kankanpääl aastal 2002 kui ainult 105-seid ja 122-seid kuid siiski elades ise mõnda aega soomes olen näinud piisavalt lahingtehnikat, ja tuleb tõdeda et pükstes ikka tuksatas kui hornet madallennul maja kõrvalt mööda sõitis kui puhkusel olin u 3 nädalat tagasi, naine pidi püksi tegema.kahju et sommid natos pole.

[kaur3]

Novaya Gazeta.

http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/60/03.html


http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/60/05.html

Novye Isvestija.

http://www.newizv.ru/news/2008-08-18/96166/

Gazeta

http://www.gzt.ru/society/2008/08/17/223003.html

[araterI]

Tegin eraldi teema
Kas NATO _tegelikult_ ka Balti riike Vene ründe puhul aitab?
http://www.militaar.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=146135
koos mõnede mõtetega

[araterI]

Vene tõi reedel sisse SS-21
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/world ... ref=slogin
http://lenta.ru/news/2008/08/18/move/

Väidetavalt on neid juba kasutatud (paar autot on ka ilmselt selle kütusekonteineriga pihta saanud). Seega siis tegemist lisajõududega.
Georgian Military Folds Under Russian Attack

Russia also fired at least 15 SS-21 Tochka/Scarab short-range ballistic missiles at Georgian military targets

[denis23]

the crew of three was assigned to the 929th GLITs (State Flight Test Center), and the aircraft's call sign was Bort No. 36, says a U.S. analyst.

Näete, analüütikud loevad meie foorumi:)))
Jutt sellest, et Tu 22M3 bort nr. oli 36 imbus läbi algselt suhteliselt väikeses seltskonnas:))) ning nagu hiljem selgus, oli vale:)))))



http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... eneric.jsp?

[kaur3]

The troops had to be put into action in relatively small units. Huge jams appeared near the 6-km Rokskiy Tunnel where only one-directional movement is possible at a time. The outdated soviet heavy broke down constantly. Evacuation of the wounded and the civilians, arriving of unneeded in this situation volunteers – all that has caused a serious and continuous crisis of supplies, while the advanced and no numerous detachments had to be thrown into action in parts, right from the wheels.

Even with mass use of artillery, tanks and aviation it took almost two days that the elite units, including special air borne paratroopers, pushed out to Tskhinvali on 8 August, were able to dislodge the Georgians from the city. Even the commander of the 58th Army General Anatoly Khrulev was wounded. Georgian troops left Tskhinvali only after the retreat order was given by the Georgian political leadership.

According to testimony by witnesses, the missile brigade of the 58th Army was put on the Georgian territory through Rokskiy Tunnel. This brigade is equipped with the MLRS “Uragan” and ballistic missiles “Tochka-U”. The “Grad” systems with caliber of 122 mm, unlike the more powerful “Uragan”, are little effective when striking cities or dug in troops. The “Tochka-U” (with the range of 110 km) is capable of reaching Tbilisi and vicinities from the district of Tskhinvali. Its high-explosive and fragmentation warhead covers 3 hectares, while the cassette one covers 7 hectares.

MLRS “Uragan” and “Tochka-U” were used in mass for shooting in Chechnya in 1999 and 2000, which caused mass death of innocent civilians and the destruction. Last week some targets in the Western Georgia were shot at from Abkhazia with the use of rockets “Tochka-U”. The launches were registered by the American global system of monitoring the missile launch. Abkhazian authorities stated it’s them to have done that shooting. Now Russia may allege it’s Ossetians shooting at Tbilisi as a revenge for Tskhinvali. Similar attacks, undoubtedly, would cause a terrible panic in Tbilisi, which might help overthrowing the Saakashvili’s regime.

http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/59/01.html

In the meanwhile, the Human Rights Watch working in the zone of conflict has made a statement about unreliability of information about the number of killed. “Judging from experience of other armed conflicts, the number of wounded is three times as big as that of killed” said the organization’s expert Tatiana Lokshina, who is in the South Ossetia now, to a Novaya Gazeta correspondent. “If the Russian media speak of 2 thousand killed, then there must be at least 6 thousand wounded people, and probably tens of thousands. However, when visiting the field hospitals in the Northern and South Ossetia, the doctors reported to us about tens – not even hundreds – of the wounded. In this conflict we are dealing with inhuman quantity of misinformation. No one can really understand what has actually happened here”.

http://en.novayagazeta.ru/data/2008/59/00.html

[kaur3]

Jane's Defense Weekly 15.08.2008

“Georgian planning flaws led to campaign failure”

http://rapidshare.com/files/138243278/G ... 8.doc.html