Ppsh-41

[jrgen20]

Suurimad tänud!

[Feeliks_Jalgraud]

[rains]

See on küll üts tore aretus tehtud!

[morning mist]

Minusugusele kogenematule inimesele paistab nagu oleks automaat ja vintpüss kokku pandud.

[bombard]

See on tegelt püstolkuulipilduja, niiet nagu nimi ütleb, püstol+ kuulipilduja = mini kuulipilduja, mis laseb püstoli padruneid. Ise küsiks, kas see oli idarindel ka levinud riist?

[Gfreak]

Ei usu et oli. Juba artikkel ütleb selle riista kohta "rare" ehk haruldus.

[Mõmps]

Iseenesest ei saa see kone VÄGA haruldane olla, vaevalt sellist ratsimist 1-2 relva pärast ette oleks võetud, ju neid pidi ikka rohkem olema, et sellist adapterit sinna leiutama hakati. Kui punaarmee võitlejad need relvad fašistide käest "vabastasid" siis vast viskasid adapteri minema, tavapärane ketassalv alla ja Huraaa , Stalini eest ja nii edasi. Polnud hiljem enam aru saadagi, et tegu sellise "saksastunud" pepeškaga olnud on.
Muidugi sobib selline kone ka "Tuhandeaastase Reichi" sõjalist võimsust iseloomustama

[Castellum]

Oligi küllaltki levinud, saksapäraselt nagu ikka MP41(r). Natuke entusiasti uurimisi ja tegemisi:
http://www.ppsh41.com/ppsh2.html

Soome variant (Suomi-karpsalvega):
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg02-e.htm

Aga ka kõige lihtsam allikas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSH-41

Seal on salvevahetuse põhjuseid ka seletatud. Sama oli põhimõtteliselt ka soomlaste pool. Jämedalt nii:
1 - ketassalv liiga raske;
2 - liiga aeglane täita;
3 - sovettide ketassalvel oli ka rohkem tõrkeid kui karpsalvel.

Sovetid ise kasutasid meelsasti karpsalve. Iseloomulik:
"The standard load was probably one drum and a number of box magazines, when box magazines were available."

[vre]

Eks ta ikka haruldus ole.Lisaks adapterile on ju saksa varjandil vahetatud või üle puuritud ka vintraud 9mm peale.

[Fucs]

Copies and weapon improvements.

7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 257 (r) Former russian AVS-36
7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 258 (r) Former russian SVT-38
7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 259 (r) Former russian SVT-40
7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 251 (a) Former American Rifle, caliber.30, M1 (Garand)
7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 310 (f) Former french Fusil Mitrailleur RSC Mle 1918
7.62 mm Selbstladekarabiner 455 (a) Former American Carbine, Caliber.30, M1 G-221/223 (Jugoslavians) War reparations after WWI

G-299 or 98 (Polish) idem
Gewehr 24 (Czech) build under licence
Gew 29/40 (Austrian)
Gew 262 (Belgian)
Gew 289 (Polish)
Gew 290/298 (Jugoslavian) build under licence
Gewehr 98/40 (original 8 mm Huzagol 35M from Hungary)
Gewehr 33/40 (manufactured in CZ Brno or Waffenfäbrik Brno)
Gewehr 98 (Austrian Repetier Gewehr 1895 in 8 mm)
Gewehr 306 (Greek, Italian or jugoslavian G-9
Gewehr 294 (ex G-98 recalibrated by the jugoslavians to 7.9)
Gewehr 33 (Musketon vz 16/33 the standard Czech Army carbine)
Gewehr 209 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 6.5 mm)
Gewehr 210 (Italian Fucille modelo 41 in 6.5 mm)
Gewehr 211 (Dutch Geweer M95 Manlicher in 6.5 mm)
Gewehr 214 (Italian Fucille modelo 91 in 6.5 mm)
Gewehr 215 (Greek mannlicher-Schönauer Model 03/14 in 6.5 mm)
Gewehr 231 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 7.35 mm)
Gewehr 241 (French model 07-15 M34 in 7.5 mm)
Gewehr 242 (French MAS-36 in 7.5 mm)
Gewehr 249 (American Springfield M 03 in 7.62)
Gewehr 252 (Russian Mosin M-91 in 7.62 and Jugoslavian Puska M91R)
Gewehr 254 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62)
Gewehr 256 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62 with 3.5 telescope)
Gewehr 261 (Belgian Fusil 1889 Mauser in 7.65 mm)
Gewehr 263 (Belgian Fusil 36 Mauser in 7.65 mm)
Gewehr 281 (British Rifle Nº 1 Mk III in 7.7 mm)
Gewehr 301 (French model 1886 transforme 1893 in 8 mm)
Gewehr 302 (French model 1907 transforme 1915 in 8 mm)
Gewehr 303 (French model 1886 racroche 1935 in 8 mm)
Gewehr 304 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)
Gewehr 305 (French model 1907 dit colonial in 8 mm)
Gewehr 307 (Jugoslavian Puska 8 mm M93)
Gewehr 311 (Danish Gevaer m/89-10 in 8 mm)

Karabiner 408 (Italian Moschetto modello 38 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 409 (Italian Moschetto modello 91 for cavalry in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 410 (Italian Moschetto m 91 for technical troops in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 411 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 412 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 413 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 3 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 414 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 4 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 411(n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m/1894 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 412(n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m/1895 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 413(n) (Norwegian Ingenieorkarabin m/1904 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 414(n) (Norwegian Artillerikarabin m/1907 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 415 (Norwegian Karabin m/1912 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 416 (Italian moschetto modello 91/24 in 6.5 mm)
Karabiner 430 (Italian moschetto modello 38 in 7.35 mm)
Karabiner 451 (Belgian Carabine 1889 in 7.65 mm)
Karabiner 453 (Belgian Carabine 1916 in 7.65 mm)
Karabiner 454 (Russian Karabin obr 1938 g in 7.62 mm)
Karabiner 457 (Russian Karabin obr 1944 g in 7.62 mm)
Karabiner 494 (Greek S-95)
Karabiner 497 (Polish Karabinek 91/98/25 in 7.92 mm [ex Mosin])
Karabiner 505 (Italian or jugoslavian S-95)
Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Fodfolkskarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 506/2 (Danish Artilleriekarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 506/3 (Danish Ingeniorkarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Rytterkarabin m/89-24 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 551 (French model 1890 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 552 (French model 1892 in 8 mm)
Karabiner 553 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)
Stützen 95 (Austrian Repetier-Stützen-Gewehr m-1895 in 8 mm)

MP.30 (ö) (9mm 32|500|33.5”|8.53lb|Austrian SI-100)
MP.34 (ö) (Austrian Steyr Solothurn Primarily issued to the Luftwaffe)
MP.34/1;
MP.35/1 (9mmP 24/32rds|650|840mm|4.1kg|Also known as the Bergmann SMGDanish license-built copies were also known as the MP.741(d) )
MP.41 (r) (PPSh 41 9mm)
MP.383 (t) (9mm 30rd|500/700|35.5”|9.37lb|Removing a weight in the bolt allowed for 700 rpm rate of fire)
MP.704 (r) (7.62 25 or 71|800|30.5”|8.25lb|Soviet PPD-34/38 )
MP.704 (f) (ex-Frence PM Vollmar Erma)
MP.715 (r) (PPD 34/38 )
MP.716 (r) (PPD 40)
MP.717 (r) (PPSh 41 7,62mm)
MP.719 (r) Captured Russian PPs-43
MP.722 (f) Captured French Mas-38
MP.738 (i) Beretta model 38/42
MP.739 (i) (Beretta Mo.938)
MP.740 (b) (ex-Belgian Mi.Schmeisser-Bayard Mle.34)
MP.741 (d) (The license built Bergman made in Denmark)
MP.746 (d) (Madsen M-42)
MP.748 (i) (9mm 32rd|550|25.25”|7.18lb|British Sten Mk 1)
MP.749 (e) Captured British Sten Mk II
MP.750 (e) (9mm 32rd|550|30”|7.0lb|British Sten Mk 3, which was essentially a Mk 1, modified for ease of production)
MP.751 (e) Captured British Sten Mk II with silencer
MP.752 (e) (9mm 33rd|700|32”|9.28lb|Australian Owen SMG, even though it carries the (e) designator)
MP.760 (e)/(j)/(a)/(r) Captured Thompson M-28 from British, US, Yugoslavian or Soviet)
MP.761 (f) Captured Thompson M-1921 purchased by France in 1939
MP.762 (45 12 or 20|550|31.0”|6.37lb|US Reising submachinegun, (a) or (r) indicates nation captured from; length with stock folded is 22.5” )
MP.3008 (9mm 32rd|500|31.5”|6.5lb|German copy of British Sten gun, with variations depending on which firm produced the weapon)

(Designation/Abbreviation|Caliber/Capacity|Length|Weight|Comments)

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Üks lahe asi on ka MP40-II

[desert eagle]

See moditud MP on küll üks väga huvitav asi.Pole isegi mitte kuulnud varem sellisest midagi.Huvitav palju üldse selliseid tehti ja kas on olemas sõjaaegseid fotosid kus selline riist peal oleks.

[EOD]

MP.41 (r) (PPSh 41 9mm)
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MP.717 (r) (PPSh 41 7,62mm)

[Castellum]

Vabandust, nüüd panen õige viite Suomi-karpsalvega PPš-le:
http://www.ppsh41.com/finn.html

[Fucs]

MP.41 (r) (PPSh 41 9mm)
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MP.717 (r) (PPSh 41 7,62mm)

http://www.ppsh41.com/ppsh2.html

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MP40/II paremad fotod (pildistatud Imperial Museum in London) on näha Wehrmacht-Awards foorumis.
(piltide nägemiseks peab olema registreeritud kasutaja ja sisse logitud)

http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthread.php?p=3419928

[karlutt10]

kas te teate mingit lehte kus on ppsh-41 süsteem? ma ei leia ühtegi