NATO artikkel 5

[kaupo51]

See võib nii minna. Eks Trumpi ajal käivadki asjad teistmoodi. Kui nelja aasta pärast uus mees USA-s pukkis, siis loodetavasti vaadatakse asjad ümber. Mida see Obama ütles, kui Tallinnas käis? Usun seda, et NATO ei lagune ja et USA käitumine tulevikus muutub.

[Sakamoto]

Võib ka nii minna, et nelja aastat ei peagi ootama....ja asjad vaadatakse juba varem ümber.

[retti]

Tänases Ilta-Sanomates hea artikkel Trumpi võimalikest seostest Moskvaga.
https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-20000110 ... t=promobox
- naastes USA-sse1987 aasta septembris ostisTrump New York Timesis, Washington Postis ja Boston Globe'is kogu lehekülje, Artiklis seadis ta kahtluse alla USA osalemise NATO-s ja väitis, et USA peaks lõpetama nende riikide kaitse eest maksmise, kes saavad endale lubada end kaitsta. Tundub tuttav?

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[Peeeter]

B-52 ja Gripenid Stockholmi kuningalossi ja parlamendi kohal täna

[Gideonic]

Zalužnõi intervjuu:

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1904816294437806536

"There is no Article 5. I got a call from Romania asking not to mention 'Shaheds' falling there. They said, 'Why did you turn on the EW, now drones are headed our way?' I told them, shoot them down, you have 40 F-16s."

The Baltics, Poland, and Romania understand there is no Article 5 NATO protection—and they stay silent. - Zaluzhnyi

[kaur3]

USA vägede Euroopas juhataja ettekanne senatis 3.04.2025.
16 lk. sh Ukraina sõjast ja Venemaast https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/i ... ements.pdf

[Fucs]

USA vägede Euroopas juhataja ettekanne senatis 3.04.2025.
16 lk. sh Ukraina sõjast ja Venemaast https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/i ... ements.pdf

USA annab hinnangud VF kaotustele ja tootmisvõimsustele....

Russia is not just reconstituting service members but is also replacing combat vehicles and munitions at an unprecedented pace. Russian ground forces in Ukraine have lost an estimated 3,000 tanks, 9,000 armored vehicles, 13,000 artillery systems, and over 400 air defense systems in the past year—but is on pace to replace them all. Russia has expanded its industrial production, opened new manufacturing facilities, and converted commercial production lines for military purposes. As a result, the Russian defense industrial base is expected to roll out 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored vehicles, and 200 Iskander ballistic and cruise missiles this year. (Comparatively, the United States only produces about 135 tanks per year and no longer produces new Bradley Fighting Vehicles.) Additionally, we anticipate Russia to produce 250,000 artillery shells per month, which puts it on track to build a stockpile three times greater than the United States and Europe combined.

UKR PS andmed (VF kaotused 01.01.2024-01.01.2025)
Tankid: 3689
Soomukid: 8956
STV süsteemid: 13050
Õhutõrjesüsteemid: 407
https://ukrainawar.blogspot.com/2025/04 ... etele.html

Tootmine (tankid, soomukid) on ilmselgelt arvestatud koos olemasoleva laovaru ülesputitamisega.
https://ukrainawar.blogspot.com/2024/10 ... ikate.html
https://ukrainawar.blogspot.com/2023/08 ... etele.html

[ruger]

Saksamaal toimub suur õppus, kus simuleeritakse orkide rünakut Baltikumi ja Poola.

Large-scale Bundeswehr exercises to take place in Hamburg starting September 25, simulating a Russian attack on the Baltic states and Poland — Bild.

The three-day drill simulates a Russian attack on the Baltics and Poland, with NATO troops rapidly deployed from Western Europe to the eastern front.
Hamburg’s port plays a key role as a logistics hub.

The scenario tests how the city could support the movement of up to 800,000 troops in a real emergency (not the actual number taking part.)

Helicopters, convoys, emergency hospitals, and even simulated protests will be part of the operation.

“The threat of a Russian attack is real. We are already facing attacks on our infrastructure,” said Captain Kurt Leonards.

https://x.com/InsiderGeo/status/1908518961261453368

[kaur3]

@about_plane NATO luurelennukite lendudest märtsis.

[kaur3]

Poseidon luurelennuk hoiab ka täna Balti merel liiklejatel silma peal.

[ruger]

Poseidon luurelennuk hoiab ka täna Balti merel liiklejatel silma peal.
IMG_2960.jpeg

orkidel käimas mereväeõppus Läänemerel. USA ja UK luurelennukid ülevalpool ka.

”I don't know what they did during the day, but it's a somewhat unusual positioning with two P-8s.”

https://x.com/balticjam/status/1912747710043537671

[ruger]

USA kaitseminister ütles siis otsuse, et nad ei panusta enam nii suures mahus Euroopa julgeoleku tagamisse

U.S. Defense Minister Pete Hegseth:

The U.S. can no longer be the guarantor of Europe’s security.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1915047647083376861

Donald Trump’s newly appointed defence secretary told allies on his first international trip that the US was no longer “primarily focused” on European security and that Europe would have to take the lead in defending Ukraine.

Pete Hegseth, speaking to defence ministers at a lunchtime meeting in Brussels, said Europe had to provide “the overwhelming share” of future military aid to Kyiv – and recognise that restoring Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders was unrealistic.

The Pentagon chief said he was “here today to directly and unambiguously express that stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe”, though the language was notably toned down from a draft briefed in advance to the press.

That had said the US was no longer “the primary guarantor of security in Europe” and appeared to suggest a recasting of the 75-year-old Nato alliance, created after the second world war to protect western Europe from the Soviet bloc.

But in a speech to the Ukraine contact group of defence ministers in Brussels, chaired by the UK’s defence secretary, John Healey, he softened the language – a day before he is due to attend his first Nato summit of defence ministers.

Hegseth said the US was shifting its military priorities to defending its homeland and deterring China, and he called on European Nato members to hike defence budgets to 5% of GDP to better defend the continent.

As an example, Hegseth said Europe “must provide the overwhelming share of future lethal and nonlethal aid to Ukraine” in the future – though he did not say the US would halt all its military aid, which has been critical in helping Kyiv resist the Russian invasion.

He also reiterated Trump’s position that “stopping the fighting and reaching an enduring peace” in Ukraine is a top priority – and that Kyiv must recognise that it cannot win back all the land occupied by Russia.

“We must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective,” Hegseth said, sketching out an initial position for any peace negotiations with Russia.

“Chasing this illusory goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering,” he added, though this could be interpreted as effectively acknowledging the annexation of Crimea, and large parts of the Donbas by Russia.

Kyiv would only achieve peace through “robust security guarantees”, but Hegseth ruled out Nato membership for Ukraine. Instead, peace would have to be secured by “capable European and non-European troops”, who he stressed would not come from the US.

Any British or European troops who did end up deployed in Ukraine would not be covered by part of a Nato mission or covered by the alliance’s article 5 guarantee, Hegseth added, meaning they would in effect be reliant on help from participating states.

Though Hegseth set out some positions for achieving peace in Ukraine, few experts believe there has been any serious diplomatic progress. Russia, which has been gaining ground on the battlefield, remains keen to press home its advantage and has demanded that Ukraine cede further territory and effectively be demilitarised as part of a deal.

Earlier this week, Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, told the Guardian that Europe was not able to offer resilient security guarantees to Kyiv without the involvement of the US. “Security guarantees without America are not real,” he said.

A multinational deterrence force based in Ukraine after a ceasefire would need to be 100,000- to 150,000-strong, Zelenskyy said, though that would be far smaller than the 600,000-plus Russian troops in occupied Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... te-hegseth

[ruger]

NORAD-i juht ei välista otsest sõjategevust orkistaniga

The Pentagon does not rule out a war between the US and Russia

The US Department of Defense considers a direct conflict between the United States and Russia possible in the event of an escalation of the war in Ukraine.

This statement was made by General Gregory Guio, head of the US Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).

Guio's remarks were prepared for a hearing in the Senate Armed Services Committee, where the growing likelihood of conflict with countries like Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea was discussed.

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1922589264535036109

[Kilo Tango]

NORAD-i juht ei välista otsest sõjategevust orkistaniga

The Pentagon does not rule out a war between the US and Russia

The US Department of Defense considers a direct conflict between the United States and Russia possible in the event of an escalation of the war in Ukraine.
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IMHO peaks see tema ametijuhendis kirjas olema, et ta peab lähtuma sellest, et konflikt kahe suure tuumajõu vahel on võimalik. Kuidas ta üldse saab seda välistada?

Järjekordne näide sellest, kuidas loll küsimus saab samasuguse vastuse. Või nagu öeldakse - garbage in - garbage out.

[PaganHorde]

https://www.delfi.ee/artikkel/120379680 ... -alla-tuua
nato-euroopa-vagede-endine-juht-ammu-unustatud-joudemonstratsioon-tuleb-taaselustada-ja-putini-nina-alla-tuua

**Reforger** (lühend sõnast "Return of Forces to Germany" ehk "Vägede tagasitoomine Saksamaale") oli NATO ja Ameerika Ühendriikide poolt külma sõja ajal korraldatud iga-aastane suuremahuline sõjaväeõppus.

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## Reforgeri õppuste eesmärk

Õppuste peamine **eesmärk** oli harjutada ja näidata NATO võimekust kiiresti transportida suuri hulki Ameerika Ühendriikide vägesid ja varustust üle Atlandi ookeani Lääne-Saksamaale, et seista vastu võimalikule Nõukogude Liidu ja Varssavi pakti invasioonile. See oli oluline heidutusvahend ja kinnitus NATO liitlastele USA pühendumisest Euroopa kaitsele.

Õppused võimaldasid:
* **Testida kiiret ümberpaigutamisvõimet:** Harjutati vägede ja varustuse kiiret transporti ning integreerimist Euroopas asuvate eelpaigutatud varudega.
* **Tuttavaks saada maastikuga:** Väed said praktilisi kogemusi Lääne-Saksamaa potentsiaalsete lahinguväljade maastikuga.
* **Demonstreerida pühendumust ja võimekust:** Reforger näitas Nõukogude Liidule NATO valmisolekut ja suutlikkust kaitsta Lääne-Euroopat.

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Millal Reforgeri õppused toimusid?

Esimene Reforgeri õppus toimus **jaanuaris 1969** ja õppused jätkusid kuni **1993. aastani**. Suurim Reforgeri õppus oli **1988. aastal**, millest võttis osa umbes 125 000 sõdurit.

Kuigi külma sõja lõppemisega kaotasid Reforgeri õppused oma algse eesmärgi, on nende põhimõtted – vägede kiire ümberpaigutamine ja liitlastega koostöö – jätkuvalt aktuaalsed ning neid on arvestatud ka hilisemate suurõppuste, näiteks Defender-Europe sarja planeerimisel.

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